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Hi, I'm Moby.

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I'm Lindsay.

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And thank you for joining us for

another episode installment of

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Moby Pod. We're gonna try and talk

about a bunch of different things. One,

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first and foremost is we're

gonna talk about anxiety again,

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because you and I are both very

prone to anxiety, and sadly,

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over the years I've had to learn

a whole bunch of coping skills to

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deal with anxiety.

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So we're gonna talk about what

those different coping skills are.

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We're also gonna talk

about the blue zones.

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A little bit, lightly gonna touch on it.

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And we're gonna talk about like

the nutrition aspect of it,

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like what makes a blue zone.

Hopefully at some point,

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Dan Buettner will come on the show.

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We're also gonna talk about how

Dan makes me feel bad about myself,

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cuz he's so much better at

being a human being than I am.

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Like he knows how to do things

and I don't, I don't, I mean,

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do you know how to ride a

bike across the Sahara Desert?

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I know how to ride a bike. I bet I

could figure it out in the desert.

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Mm, I could not. [00:01:00] And we're also

gonna talk, we're gonna, uh,

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look at some viewer mail and

we are going to do our best

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to build a choir. And if you

don't know what that means,

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hopefully by the end of the episode,

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it'll make perfect sense and you'll be

astounded at how two people in the space

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of three minutes can

build an 80 person choir.

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I just go like this,

<sings> "Uh, uh!" <laugh>.

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Yep. That's how you build. That's,

that's, that's how you build a choir.

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So once again,

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thank you for coming to Moby Pod

and now let's get started talking.

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Wait, we're already talking.

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Let's go do Moby Pod!

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So Moby, I was, um,

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having a hard time sleeping the

other night. I was very anxious.

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I was thinking about something a

little, a little, uh, repetitive,

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obsessive thinking about[00:02:00]

something. And what I did was,

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I did something that you

taught me like a year ago,

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which is I laid there and I tried to

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walk through the halls

of an old high school.

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One of the high schools that I went to,

and tried to remember all the hallways.

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And guess what happened?

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I fell asleep like a little baby

<laugh> and woke up in the morning.

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I've never quite understood that

expression. "Sleep like a baby".

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Why? Because babies are

notoriously bad sleepers?

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Well, I remember John McCain back

when republicans were reasonably sane,

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well sort of sane. Um, he,

after he lost the 2008 election,

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he was on the David Letterman show and

David Letterman said, "So Senator McCain,

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how have you been doing since you lost

the election?" And John McCain said,

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"You know what, Dave, you know,

I've been sleeping like a baby.

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I fall asleep for 30 minutes and

wake up crying and screaming.".

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John McCain said that?

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Yeah, it was really, it was just, that's

really funny. He's a really funny guy.

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Okay, so we, we [00:03:00] were talking about

your <laugh> anxiety in insomnia.

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And I then segued into an

old guy political reference.

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No,

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that's fascinating because I always knew

John McCain was kind of a little cutie,

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didn't always agree, but thought he was

a cute sweetie. So what happened was,

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I did the trick,

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the tool that you taught me

for when I'm spiraling and it

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allowed me to actually fall asleep,

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which I couldn't do for hours until I

remembered that thing that you had taught

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me. And I do it occasionally from time

to time, even in the middle of the day,

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if I start to like go down a bad path

and I can feel myself start to like,

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get the blinders of anxiety on.

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That is one thing that really helped me

is just taking a breath and trying to

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reimagine all the hallways of my high

school I went to in Georgia. It actually,

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for some reason really,

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really grounds and centers me

and like redirects my brain,

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which has,

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it's changed my connection

to panicking anxiety because

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I think [00:04:00] before that and before I found

this tool that actually works for me.

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And I've, I've had others in

the past, but this one works.

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It has helped me to not

only manage anxiety,

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but manage the fear I have

around anxiety coming into

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my current state of being,

because the anxiety is bad,

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but also my fear about having

anxiety, it's also bad.

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So it's really helped both of those things

because now I know I have a tool. So,

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because I know this is only one of the

many things that you use when you start

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to panic in addition to,

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and we talked about ambient

music and how much it helps you,

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but I know that you have a

very extensive toolbox of

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other tools of things that you

use when you start to panic.

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And I was wondering if you might share

with me and our listener friends,

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some of your other, the

other things that you do.

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Sure. And it's one of these

things like as an insecure

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man who sometimes feels

the need to overcompensate,

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like there's some things that

I'd love to be an expert on.

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And then there are other things that

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expert on, like for example, anxiety,

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and what you're referring

to is like the toolbox.

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I think that's a 12

step program expression,

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or maybe it's just a general self-help

program expression of the spiritual

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tools that you have in your toolbox.

You know, and spiritual sounds esoteric.

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And in this case they're

very practical. So I wish,

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I'm glad I know the things

that are in my toolbox.

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I wish I didn't have to know them

cuz it's all the product of me being

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congenitally or culturally

inclined towards panic.

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And so at an early age, I had to

start learning how to manage panic.

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We talked about this before,

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like I dropped outta college

because of anxiety attacks,

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I've ended relationships

because of anxiety attacks.

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I've avoided so many

things because of panic.

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So sadly I've had to do tons and tons

of research making myself sort of an

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expert. And again, I, I

wish I wasn't, I wish I,

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I wish I could just be [00:06:00] happy-go-lucky

and know nothing about panic attacks and

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know nothing about how

to deal with anxiety.

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But what you are

describing is basically an

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interruption tool. Because what

I find is panic is obsessive,

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you know, the amygdala, which

is sort of the seat of panic.

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It's a little part of the brain and it

hijacks the entire brain with anxiety.

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The amygdala, it's a part of your

brain that is a fear response. Right?

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That is what the amygdala does.

Is it, is it triggers fear,

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which then has a whole other,

series of things that it causes?

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I wish I knew more about neuroscience.

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I just know that the amygdala is kind

of little like, it's like a baby...

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It's the shape of an almond.

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Yeah. It's like a little baby

grape. But for such a tiny thing,

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it completely hijacks the brain.

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And my limited understanding

is that very broadly speaking,

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there are two systems in the brain.

There's the sympathetic nervous system,

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which is not sympathetic. [00:07:00] and the

parasympathetic nervous system,

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which is kinder to us.

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So the sympathetic nervous system

is the fight or flight system,

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which kept our ancestors alive.

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And the sympathetic nervous

system is the one that tri,

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it floods your body with cortisol,

it floods your body with adrenaline,

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nor I think it's norepinephrine.

I forget the, the stress hormones.

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And it's a great way to run away

from a bear or fight an intruder.

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But the problem, if there's

no bear to run away from,

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or if there's no intruder to

fight this fight or flight system,

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it kicks in and it doesn't

know. It doesn't stop.

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like it's designed to be fairly

quick and episodic. Like, oh,

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that person's gonna stab me with a

spear. I need to run away or stop them.

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Right. And then once you've

run away or stop them,

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this sympathetic nervous system would

slow down and the parasympathetic nervous

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system, which is the calm nervous system

would kick in and allow you to rest

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and allow you to heal. [00:08:00] But as mentioned,

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if it's three o'clock in the morning

and what you're panicking about is a

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thought, the brain just like keeps

panicking cuz it's, there's nothing real,

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I mean it feels real.

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Mm-hmm <affirmative>, because the thought

is telling you this is life or death.

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And you have to fix this or we

die. It's essentially what I mean,

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if you boil it all the way down,

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that's probably what the

thought is telling you.

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Which is why it's so all consuming.

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because it kept our ancestors alive,

and maybe this is too esoteric,

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but it's worth remembering. The brain

doesn't know anything. You know,

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the brain is a weird,

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incredibly vulnerable organism locked

in a box. It doesn't have eyes,

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it doesn't have any, it

doesn't even have sense nerves,

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all it does is respond to the

information fed to it by our eyes,

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by our skin, by our ears,

by our nose, by our mouth.

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And so the brain is constantly responding

and when it detects the slightest

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whiff of especially historical fear,

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it responds as if the house is

[00:09:00] on fire. So then the question is,

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okay,

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how do we get our poor little brains to

stop panicking at three o'clock in the

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morning or three o'clock in the afternoon?

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And so what you're describing

is that interruption and.

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Yes.

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Which in the past has been hard because

I think there's a difference between

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distraction and true interruption.

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Because I think previously

to knowing this tool,

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I would try to distract myself

with other things. Clean something,

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call a friend, go for a walk.

Which those things do help.

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But there's something about this

where I can really latch on to a

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different pathway in my brain

that's made it very different.

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And my experience is, so for example,

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this one of like remembering

walking down hallways in your mind,

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in a school that you went to revisiting

a house that you grew up in , um,

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revisiting a daily walk that you took.

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An office, you used to work at a job you

used to have something like that. Yeah.

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And there's something,

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my understanding is there's

something [00:10:00] very mundane about that.

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And the brain almost says, oh,

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if we are engaged in something

this mundane things must be

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okay. And so it's almost

like the amygdala saying,

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well I assumed things were terrible,

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but if we can do something as mundane

and boring as remember what the hallways

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in our junior high school were like,

clearly things are not life and death.

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And so it's basically sending a signal

to your brain that things are, okay.

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So you mentioned some of the other

things in my anti-anxiety toolbox.

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Yeah. What are they? I wanna know.

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So one of my favorites is,

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you could say it's a mindfulness

practice combined with

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gratitude. And for me, the question is,

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and this happened a few years ago,

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I was having some mind

melting 2: 00 AM panic attack.

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And all of a sudden it dawned on me like

what I was panicking about had nothing

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to do with my physical reality, you

[00:11:00] know, and then I just thought to myself,

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okay, let me describe my reality

right now. And I was lying in bed,

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I was warm, it was cold outside. I

had had dinner earlier. So I was fed,

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it was dark, it was quiet, I was

safe. And it really just struck me,

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well if I'm safe, why

is my brain responding?

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Like I'm being attacked

by an army of bears.

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So the process or the practice is you,

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and this is a big part of mindfulness,

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is you just sort of identify the

things that you are perceiving.

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So you start with what you can see. If

it's during the day, you look around,

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you're like, "well, I see that.

I see that." You're not saying,

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"I love what I see." You're saying, "okay,

I see that." And then if you want to,

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what I find really powerful is

you add a gratitude element to it.

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So an example would be like

in the middle of the night,

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suppose I wake up and I'm panicking

and the first thing I do would be like,

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"okay, so where am I? Okay, I'm

in my room. It's dark, it's quiet,

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it's safe." And then I'll [00:12:00] say,

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"what can I see?" And I'll be

like, "well actually it's dark.

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I can't see anything." And then I'll

attach gratitude to that. I'll be like,

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"well isn't that great that it's the

middle of the night and I'm in a space

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that's dark and visually peaceful"

and I'll be so grateful for that.

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And then you'll move on to like, what

can I feel with my skin? I'm like,

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"well I feel my soft sheets

and they're nice and cool,

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but they're warm enough" and

I'll attach gratitude to that.

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And then what can I

smell? And it's like, "Oh,

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I just smelled the normal things in my

room. I don't smell disgusting Febreze,

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I don't smell other people's cigarette

smoke." I can be grateful for that.

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And then lastly, what do I

hear? And I'll be like, "oh,

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I hear my breathing and maybe I

hear some birds." And I'll be like,

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"isn't this amazing?

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I'm in a quiet dark space

where the temperature's

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nice" and at this point I've calmed down,

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sometimes the anxiety is so [00:13:00] intense

you just have to keep doing it.

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That's a practice that I find very easy

to do at two o'clock in the morning or

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anytime. Um,

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so here's a cognitive

behavioral therapy trick

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that is great. And this

is really like this.

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If this will take anxiety

from me from 80% to 40%.

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And it's so easy to remember.

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That's the key with a lot of these tricks

is they have to be easy to remember

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and easy to do. Cuz if it's three o'clock

in the morning and your're panicking,

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your brain can only latch

onto the simple stuff.

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So true.

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So here's a really good

one. It's "A, B, C, D".

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So A is activating event.

What activated the anxiety?

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Who knows what it could, it's

different for every person, obviously.

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But you identify specifically the

thing that activated the anxiety

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. And then B is what's the belief

that you have about the anxiety?

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So let's say [00:14:00] like,

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let's say you found out that someone

you love is sick and that's causing

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anxiety. So A would be the

activating event. Okay.

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That person I love is sick. ,B, the

belief, oh no, this is gonna kill them.

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Oh no, this is gonna be disastrous. Oh

no, this is gonna be expensive. It's,

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it's the panic belief.

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C is to challenge that belief

and you simply say, okay,

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there's a good chance it won't kill them.

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There's a good chance it won't be

catastrophic. But then here's the,

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the beauty of this...

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D is to dispute the belief with evidence.

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And so you say, "okay," let's say

the person's name is Bill. "Well,

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Bill was sick a year ago and it

didn't kill him and it was annoying,

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but we got through it. And

Bill was sick three years ago.

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And clearly it didn't kill him

then and it wasn't that expensive.

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And we got through it." And the

more you dispute it with evidence,

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the more your brain calms down.

Instead of just saying to your brain,

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don't be anxious, you're saying,

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here's specifically why

you shouldn't [00:15:00] be anxious.

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Yeah. Self soothing. So many of

us are not good at self soothing.

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Let me tell you this story really quick.

Not to interrupt your flow of tricks,

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but I do think that it's, it

was incredibly meaningful to me.

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So I have these beautiful, amazing

friends, Christie and Cassie,

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and they recently had, um,

this beautiful, beautiful baby.

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And I went over there one day for

dinner and I had Bagel with me.

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And the baby was getting upset because

Bagel was coming up and licking her

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little baby toes, which I totally

get. And I was like, "Relatable Bagel,

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I wanna,

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I wanna touch those little baby toes too

cause she's so cute." But the baby was

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getting really anxious about it. And

she was probably like two at this point,

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two and a half? And she was not,

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she was having a hard time finding her

words and she was getting really anxious.

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She was starting to like half cry, half

yell, like the anxiety was amping up.

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And her mom, Cassie looks at her and goes,

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"I can tell you're getting upset."

And Edie, the baby was like,

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"yes." Like in her baby terms was like,

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"yes I am." [00:16:00] And then Cassie goes, "Okay,

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and what do we do when we start to feel

upset?" And this two year old baby sits

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back in her highchair and just

goes, <breaths in and out slowy>.

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Wow. So.

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And took three deep breaths

and sat with her for a minute

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and Cassie goes, "Do you

feel a little bit better now?

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" And she just started

eating her dinner again.

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Wow.

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So they're teaching this baby

coping mechanisms, coping skills,

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soothing from a young age.

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And I am far along in

my life and I'm recently

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only learning how to self-sooth

in a productive way because

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I think we all learned ways to

self-soothe that are incredibly toxic.

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Like eating food that's bad for you

or drinking more than you should

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or buying something you can't afford.

Something to like distract you,

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make yourself feel better.

Toxic coping skills,

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[00:17:00] and I'm trying to learn positive ones

now, but watching this baby do it at two,

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I was like, "Oh my God,

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this is such a beautiful thing to watch

someone learn so early in their life and

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she's gonna be so much

better because of it.".

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Well, sort of what you're

describing there is,

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I forget what it's called,

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but there's a type of therapy

that involves that practice

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and the,

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the practice of basically

inhabiting who you are as

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an adult and almost having like

parent conversations with yourself,

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you know, and saying to yourself,

"Don't worry, I will make this okay,

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I'm an adult, I will take

care of this," you know, like,

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"I know you're scared but it's going to

be alright." And it can be surprisingly

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effective.

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I've done forms of therapy where they

have you write letters to your younger

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self who, it's the young part of you

that's triggered in these moments.

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And so you write a letter

to yourself at that age.

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And I actually found it

to be really helpful.

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And what they had their daughter [00:18:00] do is,

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I mean the power of breath work is

also phenomenal for dealing with

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anxiety. Yeah. I mean, I would

add that it's in my toolbox of,

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the easiest one to remember is

what's called box breathing,

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you know, where depending on what the

count is, what you're comfortable with,

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like breathe in for a count of

six, hold for a count of six.

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Exhale for a count of six. Hold

the exhale for a count of six,

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breathe in for count of six.

Just like in hold out, hold in,

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hold out, hold. And if you put your hands

on your stomach when you're doing it,

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it can also be very calming. But.

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That one's really helpful for

me too, the box breathing.

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So that's definitely in

my anti-anxiety toolbox.

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And it's easy to remember.

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That's for me, again,

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part of my criteria for

these is "Can I remember

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to do them at three o'clock in

the morning?" because again,

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three o'clock in the morning when

your brain is addled by anxiety,

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it can't really [00:19:00] do much of anything.

So all of these things I'm saying like,

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I'm not saying that these are

things I've read about or things

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that I've heard are effective.

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These are all things that I've

tried sadly thousands of times.

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Thousands and thousands of

times. And they all do work.

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Sometimes you have to use a few of them.

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Sometimes you have to use

one more than, you know,

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a couple of times in

the course of a night.

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But like I have found all

of these things do work.

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And there's one other tool

that I find really helpful.

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The role of adversity in general.

Cuz everyone, myself included,

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we all hate adversity. I mean, who likes

being sick? Who likes having insomnia?

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Who likes being depressed?

Who likes having anxiety?

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But when I remember all those times

in my past when I've had anxiety

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or been sick or been hurt or

been depressed, it helps now,

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you know, like for example, uh,

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I [00:20:00] was recently in New York and I

had really bad insomnia, you know,

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like 24 hours, no sleep.

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But then I remembered the five or 10

other times in my life I've had crippling

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insomnia and I was like, oh, I got

through it, then I can get through this.

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And it really can help to just sort

of like, I call it the adversity bank,

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you know, when something terrible happens,

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just make sure that you remember it the

next time something terrible happens.

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Because every experience with adversity

we have sort of teaches us that we can

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deal with whatever adversity

is coming our way. Yeah.

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So a quick little recap.

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One is that sort of like the,

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we'll call it like the

mundane memory, you know,

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the memory of walking through the

junior high school or the high

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school or the elementary school

or the house you grew up in,

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just like walking through it and

observing it. not with people in it,

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not anything. You're just,

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you're just remembering the physical

space or even like a hike you went on

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yesterday. So that's one

that you find [00:21:00] really helpful.

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I love that.

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One. Um, the other would be,

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we'll call it like

"mindful-combined-with-gratitude".

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It's like just simply being aware

of what's actually going on in your

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immediate circumstances, you're not

extrapolating, you're not like thinking,

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"Oh, what's going on around the corner?"

You're just like, "What can I see?

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What can I smell? What can

I taste? What can I feel?

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What can I hear?" Your

five senses and possibly

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for each one, try and be grateful,

you know, to simply like,

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if you're anxious in the middle

of the day, being like, "Okay,

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well you know what? I had a really

nice lunch, I'm fed, you know ,

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I'm looking at a window and

guess what, there's some trees.

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That's nice." You know, it's like a

little bit of gratitude sort of helps the,

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the experience sink in.

What were the others?

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A, B, C, D.

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Oh, A, B, C, D...

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Wouldn't it be A, B, C, D,

& E? Because it's, it's, um.

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But you dispute with evidence.

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With evidence.

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So D and E are sort of a.

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D with E.

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Yeah. What's the [00:22:00] activating anxiety

event? The belief around it.

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You challenge the belief and then

you dispute the belief with evidence.

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Um, then we talked about box

breathing, oh, one other is,

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uh, progressive relaxation.

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That means "toes, your foot, your heel.".

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Yeah.

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Your like working your way up your body

of like, these are, this is my body,

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these are my body parts.

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Yeah. And like willing

parts your body to relax or

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flexing parts of your body and

releasing like flex your face muscles,

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release them, flex your face

muscles flex your, flex your hands,

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release them like it's that can burn

through some of the stress chemicals that

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are designed to help us run away

from bears. Not maligning bears.

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It doesn't, it could have been

a bear or a snake or a panther.

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More likely. Uh, like just someone or.

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Another human.

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Yeah. <laugh>. Yeah. Some, some,

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some super angry other person

trying to steal our corns.

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Right? Oh no, not the corns!

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If you have [00:23:00] ways that you manage your

anxiety that you wanna share with

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us, uh, email them. We're

fascinated by what works for you.

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Um, so I recently got Dan

Buettner's The Blue Zones on my

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Audible, and I started listening to it

and oh my god, this book is fascinating.

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what it aims to do is to figure

out what these people are doing

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in these blue zones where people

live to be a hundred plus.

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And so I'm just like listening

to it and I'm like, oh my gosh,

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they are all eating beans. Like

they're all eating very whole foods.

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They're all very active. They all

have a lot of community in their life.

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And it's just so, so interesting to me.

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Like he's in Sarnia,

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which I will say as a lover of a fancy

wine every now and again, <laugh>,

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which I can't drink them [00:24:00] often because

I do get too hungover and it makes me

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very, very sad. So I have

to be very selective about

my wine moments these days,

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especially as I age. Um.

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You could just start an entire

sort of like wine blog's called

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Wine Moments with Lindsay.

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<Laugh> Where I have like two

glasses of wine a week and they.

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Just cry.

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They all make me wanna die. Yeah.

<laugh> <laugh>. But I do love,

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and from the, from Sardinia,

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there's a grape called

cannonau that is like briny

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and very, has a lot of tannins. And I,

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I really love that wine and apparently

it has a lot of flavonoids in it,

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like dark chocolate. I'm very,

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very excited of my journey

of finishing this book.

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I'm definitely already starting to like

shift my own perspective on how I should

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conduct my day-to-day life.

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Because it's not about one

thing or one kind of vitamin.

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It's all of these things together

of activity, community, diet,

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stress [00:25:00] levels,

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all of these things working together

that are what is creating longevity in

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these people. Also,

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I think there is some element of

their genes in these communities. Um.

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Although I mean the, the blue zones,

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the centenarians are scattered

all over the world, you know,

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it's like the people

on the island in Japan,

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the Loma Linda people

in the United States.

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Nicoya Peninsula.

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So it's, they're so scattered.

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It's hard to say that there is a genetic

component. I mean maybe there is,

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but like,

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it's kind of like clearly there's no

inherent relationship between like

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people in Sardinia and people

on an island in Japan. Right.

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And then go another seven or 8,000 miles

to people in Loma Linda, California.

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Right, right.

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But what you're describing, cuz you

know, ever since I went vegan in 1987,

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I've been obsessed with nutrition.

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Yes. I know. We were just, when my

uncles were in town, I was having,

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cuz they have all these issues and you

were telling them this is what you need

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to eat for this is that you are,

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you've become such another

thing out of necessity,

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[00:26:00] but also you're really good at it

knowing what foods to eat to fix certain

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ailments, but also just overall

what is best for the human body.

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And, and in when in doubt

it's unprocessed whole foods.

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Try to always focus on that. Like,

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one other key is the

darker the food the better.

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You know, for example, like

everything you just mentioned,

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like those grapes in Sardinia,

they're black grapes, you know,

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and black means that there's a

high amount of polyphenols, um,

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anthocyanins and that's what makes

it dark, same, same with blueberries.

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Blueberries are dark

because of the anthocyanins,

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which is a really powerful

type of antioxidant.

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You were also saying the other

day, if you can choose between uh,

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a white potato and a purple potato.

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Go with the purple potato.

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Yeah. Get the darker option always.

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27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,119

White cabbage or red cabbage

go with the red cabbage.

478

27:24,401 --> 00:27:27,760

White grape or red grape go with the

red or black grape. Like when in doubt,

479

27:27,761 --> 00:27:32,200

just go with the dark food cuz that

the dark just means it has more

480

27:32,201 --> 00:27:34,920

antioxidants. [00:27:00] And it's a real,

481

27:34,921 --> 00:27:39,600

it's a a funny thing because like if

I'm, if I really am honest about this,

482

27:39,800 --> 00:27:44,640

we're also talking about

should I veer into the

483

27:44,641 --> 00:27:49,040

sort of quasi-spiritual

esoteric realm of this?

484

27:49,090 --> 00:27:49,923

If you must.

485

27:50,800 --> 00:27:55,280

Okay. Normally I keep this to myself.

Not that it's interesting, but to me it,

486

27:55,281 --> 00:27:58,920

it makes so much sense to me and it's

a huge part of my spiritual life,

487

27:58,921 --> 00:28:01,800

but I don't talk about

it that often. I mean,

488

28:01,801 --> 00:28:05,440

I'm a vegan for animal rights

reasons, for climate reasons,

489

28:06,300 --> 00:28:09,800

but also for spiritual reasons,

490

28:10,560 --> 00:28:15,240

these plants heal us,

these plants are magic.

491

28:15,430 --> 00:28:16,880

I mean like, to me it's just,

492

28:16,881 --> 00:28:21,440

it's indicative of some sort

of spiritual system that is

493

28:21,441 --> 00:28:23,720

unknowable to us, you know,

494

28:23,721 --> 00:28:28,359

that's so complicated where you take a

grape seed and you put it in the ground a

495

28:28,360 --> 00:28:31,800

little grape seed, little baby grape seed

that can last for thousands of years.

496

28:31,801 --> 00:28:33,640

You know, they found seeds [00:28:00] in the,

497

28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,160

in Egyptian tombs that were

thousands of years old.

498

28:36,161 --> 00:28:40,880

They still sprouted thousands

of years later and it grows

499

28:40,900 --> 00:28:43,320

and it just turns water, sunlight,

500

28:43,420 --> 00:28:47,400

and soil into the most

complicated chemical

501

28:48,030 --> 00:28:50,160

biological organism.

502

28:50,270 --> 00:28:55,200

A black grape or a black bean

or a cabbage or a broccoli that

503

28:55,201 --> 00:28:59,720

is so distinct and

basically every part of it

504

28:59,950 --> 00:29:04,400

will heal us. the fiber will heal us.

The antioxidants, the polyphenols.

505

29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,400

Isn't that amazing that like

you get to eat something, like,

506

29:07,401 --> 00:29:09,000

to me it's like a sacrament. You know,

507

29:09,001 --> 00:29:13,840

this idea that you get to put something

in your body and sure it fills you

508

29:13,841 --> 00:29:17,920

up, keeps you from being hungry, but

it heals you. It heals your brain,

509

29:17,921 --> 00:29:21,680

it protects your immune system, it

protects you from all sorts of illnesses.

510

29:21,681 --> 00:29:24,880

Like, I just think that's so unbelievable.

511

29:25,030 --> 00:29:28,280

I know I keep asking as we're doing

in the podcast, I keep asking like,

512

29:28,281 --> 00:29:31,040

do I sound like a crazy person? Am

I rambling on too, too much? So.

513

29:31,360 --> 00:29:32,320

No, you're not rambling on.

514

29:32,321 --> 00:29:37,240

You're just making [00:29:00] me sad that my

cashew milk ice cream doesn't heal

515

29:37,241 --> 00:29:37,590

me.

516

29:37,590 --> 00:29:40,960

I mean, cashew milk ice cream

is great, don't get me wrong.

517

29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,240

And also cashews and

cashew milk ice cream.

518

29:44,280 --> 00:29:48,560

There are ingredients in that that

will have antioxidants that are really

519

29:48,880 --> 00:29:50,800

powerful just because

it's made out of plants,

520

29:51,401 --> 00:29:55,400

There's almost no such thing

as a plant that doesn't have

521

29:56,280 --> 00:29:57,480

phenomenal antioxidants. Like,

522

29:57,481 --> 00:30:02,280

you'd be hard pressed to find

anything that grows in the plant

523

30:02,281 --> 00:30:04,480

world that doesn't have

antioxidants because.

524

30:04,480 --> 00:30:04,761

Well, right.

525

30:04,761 --> 00:30:08,520

But I think when you process it and

you take all the good stuff out of it,

526

30:08,580 --> 00:30:09,120

you know.

527

30:09,120 --> 00:30:13,360

Well that's the other thing is

antioxidants only work within

528

30:13,820 --> 00:30:17,520

the plant that they're grown in.

That like, so like for example,

529

30:17,521 --> 00:30:20,640

synthesize antioxidants

don't really do anything.

530

30:20,860 --> 00:30:25,840

Antioxidants removed from the plant

and sold in capsule form can actually

531

30:25,841 --> 00:30:27,760

be dangerous. You know, some of them,

532

30:27,761 --> 00:30:30,800

especially the fat soluble

ones can be toxic. But.

533

30:30,830 --> 00:30:32,040

Also you don't know what's in there.

534

30:32,041 --> 00:30:35,320

They could be filling it up with saw [00:30:00] dust

and charging you 50 bucks <laugh> you

535

30:35,480 --> 00:30:36,313

don't know.

536

30:36,980 --> 00:30:41,440

But for example, like broccoli, you

could never eat too much broccoli.

537

30:41,460 --> 00:30:46,200

And the antioxidants in broccoli

will always protect you and always do

538

30:46,201 --> 00:30:51,080

everything in their power to keep you

healthy. Oh, another magical thing.

539

30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,880

Um, I had this, do you know Neal Bernard?

We should have Neal on the show. Neal,

540

30:55,160 --> 00:30:55,161

uh.

541

30:55,161 --> 00:30:55,641

I don't know Neal.

542

30:55,641 --> 00:31:00,000

He started the Physician's Committee

for Responsible Medicine. And he is,

543

31:00,330 --> 00:31:02,280

he and Dr. Gregor Michael Gregor.

544

31:02,281 --> 00:31:06,480

It's there like two of the foremost

vegan doctors on the planet.

545

31:06,480 --> 00:31:08,520

But why isn't every doctor

vegan is what I really know?

546

31:08,520 --> 00:31:12,000

Why isn't every veterinarian vegan?

That really confuses me's Like,

547

31:12,001 --> 00:31:14,920

your day job is saving animals and at

night you go and eat animals. Like.

548

31:15,160 --> 00:31:15,160

However,

549

31:15,160 --> 00:31:19,680

I met one veterinarian that made me

understand how veterinarians aren't all

550

31:19,910 --> 00:31:21,040

vegans, which is,

551

31:21,041 --> 00:31:25,960

there's this guy when I first got

Bagel and I took her in because

552

31:25,961 --> 00:31:29,400

she was very, very sick,

you know, and he goes,

553

31:29,460 --> 00:31:33,640

"Let me just remind you about something.

This is not just, this is [00:31:00] not a pet.

554

31:33,641 --> 00:31:35,080

It's not your child. It's not your baby.

555

31:35,150 --> 00:31:39,640

This is a dog and you need to treat

it like a dog." And I was like, "I,

556

31:39,950 --> 00:31:44,160

I don't know what you mean." And then

I went and I looked up reviews on this

557

31:44,400 --> 00:31:48,720

guys. And apparently

he once tackled a dog,

558

31:48,721 --> 00:31:53,720

like he was a football player in his

office because he wanted to show them

559

31:53,721 --> 00:31:55,160

how to dominate a dog.

560

31:55,510 --> 00:31:56,000

Okay.

561

31:56,000 --> 00:31:57,800

And I was like, well I

guess I can't go back there.

562

31:57,801 --> 00:31:58,960

And now I found a really nice lady,

563

31:58,961 --> 00:32:00,840

but I'm just saying this

veterinarian was a real.

564

32:02,480 --> 00:32:07,160

Yes. Sounds like he might

have some personal issues that

565

32:07,350 --> 00:32:10,480

Yeah. But, um, Dr. Neal Bernard,

566

32:10,670 --> 00:32:14,880

I was having a conversation with

him in DC a couple of years ago

567

32:15,370 --> 00:32:19,080

because I was very confused

about something like, as we know,

568

32:19,081 --> 00:32:21,200

like most people eat way too much sugar .

569

32:21,300 --> 00:32:24,840

And there's even the issue of

people eating way too much fructose.

570

32:25,290 --> 00:32:28,160

So one would then logically

think, for example,

571

32:28,190 --> 00:32:32,480

a black grape is incredibly sweet.

Blueberries are incredibly sweet.

572

32:32,750 --> 00:32:37,440

I [00:32:00] can't eat too many of them because

they're high in sugar. Guess what? Hmm.

573

32:37,441 --> 00:32:42,400

The fiber and the antioxidants in

fruit mean that you don't have to

574

32:42,401 --> 00:32:46,800

worry about how sweet they are.

Especially like a dark fruit,

575

32:46,801 --> 00:32:48,680

like a blueberry or a black grape.

576

32:48,681 --> 00:32:51,840

Like it's so laden with

fiber and antioxidants.

577

32:51,841 --> 00:32:55,520

Like you don't have a glycemic spike as

a result of eating it. Which is again,

578

32:55,521 --> 00:33:00,200

like going back to my

quasi-spiritual aspect of seeing

579

33:00,201 --> 00:33:01,480

food as a sacrament.

580

33:01,481 --> 00:33:03,800

Like isn't that amazing that

we're not supposed to eat sugar,

581

33:03,801 --> 00:33:06,000

but you can eat as many

black grapes as you want.

582

33:06,190 --> 00:33:10,360

That is amazing. And I'm very grateful

for that because I do love a black grape.

583

33:10,810 --> 00:33:15,680

So Blue Zones. So we should definitely

have Dan on because he knows,

584

33:16,200 --> 00:33:20,160

you know, he also, he rode a

bike across the Sahara Desert.

585

33:20,370 --> 00:33:23,360

So like on one hand I

really like Dan Buettner,

586

33:23,540 --> 00:33:28,360

but on the other hand I kind

of resent people who are so

587

33:28,361 --> 00:33:30,120

much better at living than I am.

588

33:30,680 --> 00:33:31,960

This guy's good at living man.

589

33:32,030 --> 00:33:34,400

He's smart and he's [00:33:00] good at

living from what I can tell.

590

33:34,401 --> 00:33:36,200

And I only know little tidbits.

591

33:36,201 --> 00:33:39,440

I'm sure if I knew more I would

be like very intimidated. I mean,

592

33:39,441 --> 00:33:40,400

I'm already pretty intimidated guy.

593

33:40,560 --> 00:33:42,400

These people who know

how to do stuff. Cuz I,

594

33:42,470 --> 00:33:44,720

I don't really know how

to do all that much.

595

33:44,721 --> 00:33:47,880

Like a friend of mine in Connecticut,

he knows how to build furniture.

596

33:47,990 --> 00:33:49,160

I don't know how to build furniture.

597

33:49,161 --> 00:33:53,280

Like I was on his deck once and he had

these Adirondack chairs that he had built

598

33:53,560 --> 00:33:55,320

and I was like, how would you

even know how to do that? Like,

599

33:55,321 --> 00:33:59,840

would you go to the

Adirondack chair kit store?

600

33:59,841 --> 00:34:02,200

And he is like, no. He just

went to the lumber store,

601

34:02,201 --> 00:34:06,200

got some lumber figured out and he

figured out how to like do plumbing.

602

34:06,460 --> 00:34:07,293

And I just,

603

34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,200

it these people who make me feel

like such an inadequate human being.

604

34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,600

Cause like I know how to

like I can make a smoothie.

605

34:14,150 --> 00:34:19,120

Well we're talking about your incredible

knowledge of anti-anxiety tools

606

34:19,140 --> 00:34:21,280

and what to eat to heal yourself.

607

34:21,500 --> 00:34:26,320

And we may even later talk

about how to build a chorus,

608

34:26,860 --> 00:34:29,719

you know, how to do a lot of

things. Maybe not build a chair,

609

34:29,720 --> 00:34:31,640

but there's lots of skills that you have.

610

34:32,420 --> 00:34:34,920

But are any [00:34:00] of them practical? Like for.

611

34:35,000 --> 00:34:35,800

You, you know how to clean a house?

612

34:35,800 --> 00:34:39,440

I'm really good at cleaning

houses. I forget have we,

613

34:39,830 --> 00:34:44,280

I forget on the podcast have we talked

about how good I am at cleaning?

614

34:44,920 --> 00:34:46,360

Because that's one of the

only things I'll brag about.

615

34:46,520 --> 00:34:50,640

Well, when you want to, because your

cups are dirty, but everything else,

616

34:51,050 --> 00:34:52,239

is incredibly clean.

617

34:52,270 --> 00:34:54,360

Okay. My cups are not dirty.

618

34:54,430 --> 00:34:55,440

They just look dirty.

619

34:55,441 --> 00:34:57,520

They're stained and it <laugh>. I will,

620

34:57,521 --> 00:35:01,920

I will sort of bring us

back to my embarrassing

621

35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,520

quasi-spiritual sacrament

aspect of plants.

622

35:05,780 --> 00:35:08,880

The cups are stained

with tannins from tea.

623

35:09,070 --> 00:35:09,903

Yeah.

624

35:10,239 --> 00:35:12,560

Well and tannins are also tannins.

625

35:12,561 --> 00:35:15,960

Tannins can be a little complicated cuz

they can prevent the absorption of some

626

35:16,160 --> 00:35:16,441

nutrients,

627

35:16,441 --> 00:35:21,280

but they're also a phenomenal

protective polyphenol as

628

35:21,560 --> 00:35:25,239

well. And also I have cups that are not

stained and those are the ones are like,

629

35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,560

if if someone's coming, like

if you came over for tea,

630

35:28,710 --> 00:35:32,400

I would serve you tea in an

unstained cup. But if you wanted to,

631

35:32,401 --> 00:35:36,600

I could show you my [00:35:00] stained cups cuz

I've given up trying to get the stain out

632

35:36,601 --> 00:35:40,520

of them. And they are just inside these

cups. It's basically black and it's.

633

35:40,520 --> 00:35:42,000

It's hard to hear. It's hard to hear that.

634

35:42,020 --> 00:35:45,920

I'm very proud of my tannin

stained cups. <laugh>. Okay.

635

35:45,921 --> 00:35:47,760

So Dan Buettner will have

Dan come on the show.

636

35:47,760 --> 00:35:49,760

Hopefully. I hope he can.

That would be really cool.

637

35:49,760 --> 00:35:54,000

We'll ask him and he will come on and

I will tell him to his face how much I

638

35:54,001 --> 00:35:58,160

resent the fact that he's so good at

being alive and he knows how to do all

639

35:58,161 --> 00:36:00,320

these things. Like ride a

bike across the Sahara desert.

640

36:00,730 --> 00:36:02,080

No one knows how to do that.

641

36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,920

Well it's just riding a bike

Really? But in a really hard place.

642

36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,480

Maybe you have to figure out,

I mean, they don't have stores.

643

36:08,110 --> 00:36:11,080

Yeah, true. How do you do that? What?

Do you just have sandwiches for days?

644

36:11,110 --> 00:36:12,760

Yeah. Bring, I mean that thing.

645

36:12,900 --> 00:36:15,960

How do you know how to And also like

sleeping outside, like, I don't know,

646

36:16,200 --> 00:36:16,640

to sleep outside.

647

36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,160

Oh yeah. I wouldn't be able to do

that. That would be hard for me. Yeah.

648

36:19,161 --> 00:36:21,480

I'm more of a glamper

<laugh>, um, <laugh>.

649

36:23,250 --> 00:36:27,680

Okay, so we'll, we'll ask Dan,

Dan if he's listening, Dan,

650

36:27,681 --> 00:36:31,560

please come on the show and make us feel

bad about ourselves because you know

651

36:31,561 --> 00:36:32,960

how to live better than we do.

[00:36:00] 652

36:32,961 --> 00:36:37,239

And also you're smart and you know about

nutrition and how people live to be

653

36:37,240 --> 00:36:38,160

over a hundred years old.

654

36:38,350 --> 00:36:38,841

Also,

655

36:38,841 --> 00:36:41,560

something that you guys I think will

really connect on is your love of soup

656

36:41,800 --> 00:36:42,350

making.

657

36:42,350 --> 00:36:46,920

I am. Okay. I just made soup

on Saturday. And it was,

658

36:46,989 --> 00:36:47,840

it's so good.

659

36:47,840 --> 00:36:48,680

You're very good at soup.

660

36:48,680 --> 00:36:52,040

Okay, so can I tell you what, because

it's also, it only took an hour.

661

36:52,041 --> 00:36:52,920

It's very, very quick.

662

36:53,440 --> 00:36:55,080

Great. Yeah. I wanna

know all about the soup.

663

36:55,080 --> 00:36:55,561

Okay.

664

36:55,561 --> 00:37:00,440

Maybe we could even at some point

film it so people can see how to

665

37:00,441 --> 00:37:01,880

make the soup. Cuz it's real easy.

666

37:02,020 --> 00:37:06,800

You take lentils and quinoa and you put

them in a pot with water and you boil.

667

37:07,020 --> 00:37:07,853

For how long?

668

37:08,280 --> 00:37:09,113

50 Minutes.

669

37:09,430 --> 00:37:10,040

Almost an hour.

670

37:10,040 --> 00:37:15,000

And towards the end when it, when

both are cooked, you add frozen corn.

671

37:15,450 --> 00:37:16,283

In a second pot,

672

37:16,380 --> 00:37:21,000

you take chopped up

purple potatoes and orange

673

37:21,001 --> 00:37:21,719

carrots.

674

37:21,719 --> 00:37:22,680

How chopped are we talking here?

675

37:23,200 --> 00:37:23,680

Meh.

676

37:23,680 --> 00:37:24,200

Little bitty tiny cubes?

677

37:24,200 --> 00:37:27,400

Not too tiny, but just chunks, like

chunks, chunks. You, you chop up,

678

37:27,401 --> 00:37:30,960

you chunk up some purple

potatoes. and carrots.

679

37:31,441 --> 00:37:35,640

And you boil them [00:37:00] for

about 30 or 40 minutes.

680

37:36,719 --> 00:37:38,800

While these beans and

quinoa are still going.

681

37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,239

So you got one pot with the

beans and quinoa cooking one.

682

37:41,440 --> 00:37:42,273

And corn. Corn's in it now.

683

37:42,360 --> 00:37:43,193

And corns at the end. Okay.

684

37:43,219 --> 00:37:47,640

One pot with your potatoes

and carrots boiling.

685

37:47,660 --> 00:37:52,040

And then about 30 minutes in

you take chopped up onions,

686

37:52,489 --> 00:37:57,360

chopped up scallions and chopped up

leaks, which are in the allium family.

687

37:57,361 --> 00:38:00,239

It's an also an incredibly healthy,

688

38:00,960 --> 00:38:02,840

powerful type of polyphenol.

689

38:03,480 --> 00:38:05,560

Allium. I thought that was

Lilly. Is that the same? Yeah.

690

38:05,560 --> 00:38:07,960

Okay, great. I think so. A L L I U M.

691

38:07,961 --> 00:38:10,840

It's like basically stuff that

grows from a bulb, but it's a,

692

38:10,841 --> 00:38:15,480

it's a like really unique class of plant

and it's super important for health.

693

38:15,850 --> 00:38:18,880

So you, you saute your onion, oh,

694

38:19,160 --> 00:38:23,320

and garlic maybe shallots if you're

feeling adventurous. So onion, garlic,

695

38:23,321 --> 00:38:26,280

shallots, leaks and

scallions. You saute them.

696

38:26,550 --> 00:38:30,200

Those three things. And in what,

what do you saute in these things in?

697

38:30,640 --> 00:38:31,473

Olive oil.

698

38:31,560 --> 00:38:33,200

You gotta be careful with

the high, with high [00:38:00] heat.

699

38:33,200 --> 00:38:36,480

You don't go too hot. I mean, you're,

you're hot enough so they saute but not,

700

38:36,481 --> 00:38:37,800

you're not like scalding anything.

701

38:37,801 --> 00:38:41,200

Like the olive oil should

never be like smokey.

702

38:41,201 --> 00:38:42,034

Okay, great.

703

38:42,219 --> 00:38:45,320

And then you drain the purple

potatoes and the carrots,

704

38:45,340 --> 00:38:49,800

you add them to the sauteing alliums,

705

38:50,080 --> 00:38:52,120

onion, garlic leaks, scallions.

706

38:52,601 --> 00:38:55,480

And you add some vegetable broths.

707

38:55,590 --> 00:38:58,880

This is arguably the least cool,

708

38:58,881 --> 00:39:02,239

least rock and roll conversation

I've ever had in my entire life.

709

39:02,240 --> 00:39:02,430

<Sings> Soup time with Moby.

710

39:02,430 --> 00:39:06,600

I feel like, I feel like it's like

a 19th century pepper bridge farm,

711

39:06,601 --> 00:39:07,920

like farmer's alman neck.

712

39:08,060 --> 00:39:11,560

But you wanna know what's kind of messed

up is that I'm so amped on the soup

713

39:11,561 --> 00:39:13,520

story right now. The soup recipe I'm like,

714

39:13,540 --> 00:39:16,960

I'm on the edge of my seat and

I'm not actually joking at all.

715

39:17,489 --> 00:39:21,080

Okay. So you add your potatoes

and carrots, that are at

this point quite soft to

716

39:22,739 --> 00:39:27,000

the mixed alliums, garlic, scallions,

onions, et cetera, et cetera.

717

39:27,000 --> 00:39:28,040

Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

718

39:28,040 --> 00:39:30,400

You add some sort of broth

that I I make my own.

719

39:31,040 --> 00:39:32,040

You make your own vegetable broth?

720

39:32,041 --> 00:39:32,660

Yeah.

721

39:32,660 --> 00:39:33,493

How do [00:39:00] you do that?

722

39:33,840 --> 00:39:34,960

It's the easiest thing in the world.

723

39:34,961 --> 00:39:37,800

You take all the vegetable stuff

you don't want and you boil it.

724

39:37,800 --> 00:39:39,080

What, like carrot tips?

725

39:39,190 --> 00:39:39,681

Yeah.

726

39:39,681 --> 00:39:44,480

Carrot tops are great and like

onion peels and all the stuff that

727

39:44,481 --> 00:39:49,080

the bi like all the stuff

that you wouldn't put in the

soup. You put in the veg,

728

39:49,081 --> 00:39:50,000

you make your vegetables.

729

39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,400

And are you making this

vegetable broth simultaneously?

730

39:52,430 --> 00:39:54,640

I do. So I'll have like four pots going.

731

39:54,930 --> 00:39:57,520

Oh, you've got so many pots at once. Okay.

732

39:57,890 --> 00:40:00,520

So it's like you're a DJ of food.

733

40:00,920 --> 00:40:04,560

<Laugh>, <laugh>. Okay.

734

40:04,730 --> 00:40:09,560

So then you have your allium,

garlic, onion, scallions, potatoes,

735

40:09,561 --> 00:40:11,680

carrots, vegetable broth, all going.

736

40:12,140 --> 00:40:16,280

And then you pour that. You ready?

This is where it gets weird.

737

40:16,310 --> 00:40:17,060

I can't wait.

738

40:17,060 --> 00:40:20,400

You pour that into a very good blender.

739

40:20,960 --> 00:40:21,400

<Gasps>. You blend it?

740

40:21,400 --> 00:40:22,960

And you blend it.

741

40:22,961 --> 00:40:23,700

All of it?

742

40:23,700 --> 00:40:26,800

Not the lentils and the quinoa

and the corn that stays as is.

743

40:26,870 --> 00:40:27,360

Okay. Okay.

744

40:27,360 --> 00:40:29,360

You blend the other stuff.

745

40:29,360 --> 00:40:32,760

You're blending all of

your carrot, scallions,

746

[00:40:00] 40:32,850 --> 00:40:34,440

and potatoes.

747

40:34,550 --> 00:40:36,480

Potatoes, carrots, et cetera.

748

40:36,961 --> 00:40:41,160

You blend it and then

you add it to your lentil

749

40:41,640 --> 00:40:42,760

quinoa, corn.

750

40:43,110 --> 00:40:43,960

Incredible. Okay.

751

40:44,320 --> 00:40:47,560

And you end up with the

most wonderful soup.

752

40:47,561 --> 00:40:48,400

The whole thing takes about an hour.

753

40:48,400 --> 00:40:50,000

You're just tossing

the, the broth goes in.

754

40:50,140 --> 00:40:54,160

The broth goes in when you're, after

you're done sauteing, you add that broth.

755

40:54,480 --> 00:40:59,280

And so the broth see, enable the broth

enables you to blend your, your stuff.

756

40:59,460 --> 00:41:00,640

Got it, got it. Got it.

757

41:00,641 --> 00:41:03,920

Because you're not using the water

that was in the potato mixture.

758

41:03,930 --> 00:41:07,360

No, that gets that. You could

do something with it. But I,

759

41:07,469 --> 00:41:10,080

I don't get mad at me.

I I I chucked that out.

760

41:10,230 --> 00:41:14,280

I could save it and it could be the

base for another vegetable broth.

761

41:14,600 --> 00:41:15,680

Why don't you use it for that one?

762

41:16,130 --> 00:41:21,000

Because that liquid shows up

at the very end. Oh, I see.

763

41:21,160 --> 00:41:22,880

And the other broth you've

been making the whole time.

764

41:23,150 --> 00:41:24,600

Okay. Okay. But.

765

41:24,719 --> 00:41:26,120

You could, you, you know what,

766

41:26,121 --> 00:41:31,040

in the future I am going to try

and do something with that potato,

767

41:31,041 --> 00:41:31,800

carrot water.

768

41:31,800 --> 00:41:33,719

Great. Amazing. [00:41:00] I mean,

769

41:33,870 --> 00:41:37,920

this has been Soup Corner

<laugh> with Richard Hall.

770

41:38,640 --> 00:41:39,360

Hold on a second. Hold. Keep talking.

771

41:39,360 --> 00:41:40,193

Oh God.

772

41:40,760 --> 00:41:42,680

Because we gotta have Soup Corner Music.

773

41:42,680 --> 00:41:43,513

Moby.

774

41:43,601 --> 00:41:48,280

So remember when we were in Park City

and I was gonna give a speech at that

775

41:48,281 --> 00:41:52,640

thing, I, I need you to know that I had

a whole speech planned out that I'd been

776

41:52,641 --> 00:41:55,520

practicing and it was

all about the speech.

777

41:55,521 --> 00:41:59,000

Went a little something like this up

at the top it went like, you know,

778

41:59,440 --> 00:42:03,280

Moby as a legendary musician, DJ,

779

42:04,360 --> 00:42:04,510

producer.

780

42:04,510 --> 00:42:05,880

This is my Soup Corner Music.

781

42:06,780 --> 00:42:08,640

But what you don't know about Moby,

782

42:09,580 --> 00:42:13,560

and I'm gonna blow your mind and sorry

Moby, for revealing so much about you,

783

42:14,790 --> 00:42:16,880

Moby is actually an incredible,

784

42:17,400 --> 00:42:22,200

something you might not know about

Moby is that he makes incredible soups.

785

42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,320

What do you think about

the soup corn of music?

786

42:34,030 --> 00:42:36,600

I like it a lot. You

wanna sing a soup song?

787

42:37,160 --> [00:42:00] 00:42:42,040

<Laugh> <laugh> <laugh>?

No. I, I've already,

788

42:42,041 --> 00:42:45,160

I'm kind, I mean, I live in a state

of constant shame and embarrassment,

789

42:45,180 --> 00:42:49,960

but my 20 minute discussion

of making soup has

790

42:49,961 --> 00:42:50,794

made me feel,

791

42:51,110 --> 00:42:55,960

I honestly feel like I

spent so much time trying to

792

42:55,961 --> 00:43:00,520

get away from my roots in New England

and all of a sudden I realized like,

793

43:00,850 --> 00:43:01,683

"Oh no.

794

43:01,790 --> 00:43:06,719

Like I have become what I was trying to

escape." Cause when I was growing up,

795

43:07,200 --> 00:43:10,440

everyone in my family and all their

friends, this is the stuff they would do.

796

43:10,750 --> 00:43:11,680

Talk about soups?

797

43:11,680 --> 00:43:14,480

Talk about soup and play

banjos, like the, and.

798

43:14,820 --> 00:43:17,560

All roads lead back to soups and banjos.

799

43:17,860 --> 00:43:21,080

I'm so, is this really what

has happened? Like, like I've,

800

43:21,081 --> 00:43:25,840

I've moved to big cities and I've traveled

the world and I live in Los Angeles.

801

43:25,940 --> 00:43:29,800

I'm supposed to be glamorous and

instead I play banjo and make soup.

802

43:30,320 --> 00:43:30,600

But you love it.

803

43:30,600 --> 00:43:33,960

I really do. <laugh>, [00:43:00] but I'm also.

804

43:34,080 --> 00:43:35,920

Don't yuck your own yum, bro.

805

43:36,430 --> 00:43:36,920

What?

806

43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,600

Don't yuck your own yum, bro.

807

43:39,989 --> 00:43:43,200

Hold on just a sec. What? One more

time. Don't yuck your own yum?

808

43:44,280 --> 00:43:45,113

You know what I'm saying?

809

43:45,250 --> 00:43:48,480

Is this an, is this a like a

TikTok expression or something?

810

43:48,480 --> 00:43:50,480

No, it's like a, it's

like a thing people say.

811

43:50,480 --> 00:43:51,313

People have said that?

812

43:52,080 --> 00:43:54,200

Probably. I think I've heard it

somewhere. I don't think I made that up.

813

43:54,360 --> 00:43:54,840

I'm not that clever.

814

43:54,840 --> 00:43:59,080

No. Yuck your own yum. Wow.

Okay. Don't yuck your own yum.

815

43:59,601 --> 00:44:00,160

Okay. I I.

816

44:00,160 --> 00:44:04,760

It's a Shakespearean ideology

phrased in a very backwards way.

817

44:20,040 --> 00:44:24,840

Shall we go into the mail

bag and and pick out a

818

44:24,841 --> 00:44:25,520

listener question?

819

44:25,520 --> 00:44:28,719

Yeah. I'm just gonna pick one at random.

Just sticking my hand in the bag.

820

44:30,630 --> 00:44:32,960

<Makes stirring noise> That's the sound

effect for sticking your hand in a

821

44:32,960 --> 00:44:33,200

mailbag.

822

44:33,200 --> 00:44:34,840

[00:44:00] Okay. I think I got a good one here.

823

44:34,841 --> 00:44:35,674

Okay.

824

44:35,750 --> 00:44:39,280

Okay. This one's from an actual

human being who I'm not joking.

825

44:39,281 --> 00:44:42,680

It is an actual human being named

Steve Luckritz. And his question is,

826

44:42,870 --> 00:44:45,440

well it starts with a comment

and ends with a question.

827

44:45,790 --> 00:44:48,840

"I really liked Little

Pine and what it stood for.

828

44:49,250 --> 00:44:53,080

Do you see yourself opening

another vegan restaurant someday?".

829

44:53,989 --> 00:44:57,320

Well, it's a great question. So the first.

830

44:57,360 --> 00:44:57,920

Yes, Steve, really good work.

831

44:57,920 --> 00:45:02,640

So the first restaurant I

opened was Teeny in New York in

832

45:02,641 --> 00:45:06,480

2002 and I was in a very,

833

45:06,481 --> 00:45:11,040

very different place in my life as

a person when I opened it. And so,

834

45:11,041 --> 00:45:15,880

on one hand I wanted to represent

veganism well, but also at that time,

835

45:15,881 --> 00:45:19,560

like I was drinking constantly.

I was a, so I was a drunk,

836

45:19,561 --> 00:45:20,719

I was doing a lot of drugs.

837

45:20,940 --> 00:45:25,719

And so Teeny was opened

to both represent a nice

838

45:25,720 --> 00:45:27,920

side of veganism,

839

45:28,140 --> 00:45:33,080

but also to give me a

place to go when I was

[00:45:00] 840

45:33,081 --> 00:45:35,719

hungover. Cause I was

hungover every single day.

841

45:35,940 --> 00:45:40,360

And you wanted to have a place

to go when you were hungover?

842

45:40,360 --> 00:45:40,801

Yeah,

843

45:40,801 --> 00:45:44,280

like a cute little place that would make

me feel like less of a scumbag when I

844

45:44,281 --> 00:45:45,040

was hungover.

845

45:45,040 --> 00:45:45,320

Oh, got it.

846

45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,960

Got it. And teeny worked

out great. I mean it was,

847

45:48,030 --> 00:45:52,880

I was completely dysfunctional but

the restaurant did surprisingly well

848

45:53,320 --> 00:45:57,080

considering I was such a mess. And

when I ended my involvement with Teeny,

849

45:57,469 --> 00:46:01,800

I pretty much said I will never open a

restaurant again cuz opening and running

850

46:01,801 --> 00:46:02,281

a restaurant.

851

46:02,281 --> 00:46:06,160

It's one of the most stressful things

and I don't recommend it for anyone.

852

46:06,350 --> 00:46:08,800

What would you say makes it so stressful?

853

46:09,020 --> 00:46:13,719

The fact that every single part of it is

854

46:13,720 --> 00:46:18,719

complicated and difficult and has

to be perfect every second that

855

46:18,720 --> 00:46:22,760

it's open. So the temperature, the food,

856

46:22,820 --> 00:46:26,800

the drinks, the service,

the music, the lighting,

857

46:27,150 --> 00:46:29,920

everything has to be

perfect. If it's not perfect,

858

46:29,921 --> 00:46:34,680

people leave or they don't come in.

And you, [00:46:00] you don't get do-overs.

859

46:34,681 --> 00:46:35,240

Like it has,

860

46:35,240 --> 00:46:40,239

it all has to be 100% perfect and

it's super expensive to open a

861

46:40,240 --> 00:46:43,760

restaurant, super expensive

to run a restaurant like

the, like all the ordering,

862

46:43,761 --> 00:46:48,080

the staff, the utilities, everything

about it is stressful and expensive.

863

46:48,850 --> 00:46:52,880

So then even though I had vowed to

never open another restaurant again,

864

46:53,070 --> 00:46:58,000

I guess about six or seven years ago I

opened Little Pine here in Los Angeles

865

46:58,060 --> 00:47:02,960

and Little Pine was opened for

one and only one reason that I

866

47:02,961 --> 00:47:07,600

saw food and nice restaurants

as being a remarkable

867

47:07,601 --> 00:47:10,320

aspect of vegan activism. You know,

868

47:10,321 --> 00:47:14,120

like it's great to make

movies, have books,

869

47:14,750 --> 00:47:19,360

podcasts, social media, nonprofit

charities, animal sanctuaries,

870

47:19,361 --> 00:47:23,239

like all these other things that are

forms of vegan, animal rights, activism.

871

47:23,380 --> 00:47:27,800

But I've seen with other restaurants,

you know, like Crossroads, Candle 79...

872

47:28,690 --> 00:47:33,080

So Little Pine was opened because

I realized I didn't know of any

873

47:33,081 --> 00:47:36,320

[00:47:00] restaurants I knew of vegan

restaurants that were high end.

874

47:36,321 --> 00:47:38,360

I knew of vegan restaurants

that had great food,

875

47:38,580 --> 00:47:41,960

but I didn't know of any vegan

restaurants that were very,

876

47:42,550 --> 00:47:47,400

that had like really nice

thoughtful modern design that

877

47:47,719 --> 00:47:49,120

had an amazing wine list.

878

47:49,121 --> 00:47:52,440

Which might seem a little strange for

me cause I'm sober <laugh> and that had

879

47:52,441 --> 00:47:56,880

great service and really

interesting comfort food,

880

47:57,960 --> 00:47:58,440

you know, cause.

881

47:58,440 --> 00:48:02,480

A lot of vegan places do comfort food

like we've talked about how I'm a big fan

882

48:02,481 --> 00:48:03,400

of Doomies.

883

48:04,219 --> 00:48:04,640

Yeah.

884

48:04,640 --> 00:48:06,400

But healthy vegan comfort

food is harder to find.

885

48:06,840 --> 00:48:07,670

And sort of like,

886

48:07,670 --> 00:48:12,360

like beautifully presented

high-end comfort food.

887

48:12,361 --> 00:48:16,719

And so Little Pine was opened for

that reason to like just to represent

888

48:17,350 --> 00:48:21,960

veganism and animal rights based on

attraction like in a non didactic,

889

48:22,860 --> 00:48:27,080

non hectoring sort of

way. And also there's,

890

48:27,100 --> 00:48:31,000

the way I structured it, there was no

way for me to ever make money from it.

891

48:31,001 --> 00:48:31,560

You know.

892

48:31,560 --> 00:48:32,300

It was all charity.

893

48:32,300 --> 00:48:36,520

The idea was [00:48:00] if money was gonna come

in, it was going to go right to charity.

894

48:36,580 --> 00:48:37,361

The truth is,

895

48:37,361 --> 00:48:41,480

the money that came into Little Pine was

a very small percentage of the amount

896

48:41,481 --> 00:48:43,000

of money I give to charity. You know,

897

48:43,001 --> 00:48:45,360

really what there wasn't

making money handover fist,

898

48:45,380 --> 00:48:50,239

but I certainly would never in

good conscience take a profit

899

48:50,240 --> 00:48:52,840

from something I had started

for activist reasons.

900

48:53,850 --> 00:48:57,360

So fast forward the pandemic

started. You remember the pandemic?

901

48:58,440 --> 00:48:59,239

You know, I really do...

902

48:59,239 --> 00:49:00,072

Okay.

903

49:00,530 --> 00:49:04,480

So good old pandemic started

and the city of Los Angeles,

904

49:04,790 --> 00:49:07,960

like most cities around the world

said, guess what restaurants?

905

49:07,961 --> 00:49:11,239

You all have to shut down. And

I just thought, you know what?

906

49:11,240 --> 00:49:15,960

I'm gonna take my efforts and my

resources and apply them to different

907

49:15,961 --> 00:49:16,920

types of activism.

908

49:17,601 --> 00:49:22,120

And so I ended up selling

Little Pine the summer of 2020.

909

49:22,880 --> 00:49:25,400

Uh, and it just recently

closed down, but I think,

910

49:25,790 --> 00:49:29,760

I hope it's reopening as a new vegan

restaurant with a different name.

911

49:30,040 --> 00:49:34,480

That's the rumor that I've heard because

the people that bought it [00:49:00] from you are

912

49:34,481 --> 00:49:38,400

also very, very committed

vegans and animal activists.

913

49:38,900 --> 00:49:42,800

And they then sold it. My understanding

is that they sold it to someone who.

914

49:43,090 --> 00:49:44,760

Is also a committed vegan

animal animal rights activist.

915

49:45,521 --> 00:49:49,000

So I'm very hopeful that

when Little Pine reopens,

916

49:49,001 --> 00:49:50,800

it will no longer be called Little Pine,

917

49:51,020 --> 00:49:55,760

but will be a new even potentially

better version of Little Pine with a

918

49:55,761 --> 00:49:56,370

different name.

919

49:56,370 --> 00:50:01,280

So the very long winded way

of answering the question is I

920

50:01,281 --> 00:50:05,920

hope that I'm never involved with another

restaurant again as long as I live

921

50:06,190 --> 00:50:08,080

unless I'm eating there. You know,

922

50:08,081 --> 00:50:12,080

like I love going to restaurants

and eating in restaurants,

923

50:12,081 --> 00:50:14,560

but owning and running restaurants,

924

50:14,561 --> 00:50:18,880

it's really something that should be left

to the people like heart surgeons and

925

50:18,910 --> 00:50:22,360

pilots. Like it's the people who

really know what they're doing.

926

50:22,540 --> 00:50:26,320

And I was a dilettante so it's amazing

that like my two restaurants actually

927

50:26,321 --> 00:50:29,719

ended up doing okay. Cuz

I had great intentions,

928

50:30,100 --> 00:50:33,719

but no real practical experience

and I had no [00:50:00] idea what I was doing.

929

50:34,239 --> 00:50:36,640

Well you hired a lot of people that I

think did know what they were doing,

930

50:36,641 --> 00:50:40,120

but even I remember when you

were running that restaurant or,

931

50:40,360 --> 00:50:43,520

or had that restaurant how

hard it was constantly.

932

50:43,521 --> 00:50:47,840

And I used to work in restaurants

and can attest that it's incredibly

933

50:47,840 --> 00:50:48,153

challenging.

934

50:49,080 --> 00:50:52,480

Yeah. In our case, we are

barely breaking even. And again,

935

50:52,700 --> 00:50:56,440

the money that came in became a very

small part of my overall charitable

936

50:56,520 --> 00:50:58,800

donations for the year. Yeah. Uh,

937

50:59,060 --> 00:51:02,440

but I will say almost

every night we were open,

938

51:02,441 --> 00:51:07,440

someone would come up to me and tell

me how surprised they were that they

939

51:07,441 --> 00:51:08,920

liked Little Pine so much.

940

51:09,030 --> 00:51:13,440

I know. I remember my very, very

non-vegan father went and was like, Hey,

941

51:13,441 --> 00:51:16,640

this isn't bad. Which is about the

highest compliment you could ever,

942

51:16,641 --> 00:51:17,600

ever get from him.

943

51:17,870 --> 00:51:20,760

That was the goal is to

sort of like open the, door,

944

51:20,761 --> 00:51:24,600

like a place that vegans could bring

their non-vegan friends and family members

945

51:24,940 --> 00:51:29,880

and have the non-vegan friends and family

members go in with apprehension and

946

51:29,881 --> 00:51:34,200

end up having a wonderful meal maybe

with like a great bottle of [00:51:00] wine and,

947

51:34,201 --> 00:51:38,239

and it maybe it would just change their

perspective on veganism. Yep. You know,

948

51:38,240 --> 00:51:41,840

that was, that was the goal. I think

it worked at times, but I really,

949

51:42,219 --> 00:51:45,280

I'm just not cut out to open

and run another restaurant.

950

51:55,980 --> 00:52:00,480

You want, you want me to show you how

to build a choir with only two people?

951

52:00,700 --> 00:52:02,719

Yes. Okay. Well let me, let me go.

952

52:02,720 --> 00:52:06,000

I gotta get my headphones and then we

will build a choir. Just you and me.

953

52:06,001 --> 00:52:06,601

Okay, great.

954

52:06,601 --> 00:52:07,480

Maybe Bagel.

955

52:08,219 --> 00:52:09,880

<Howls> "Aroooo". That's what she'll do.

956

52:10,310 --> 00:52:14,560

Okay. So building a choir,

what does that mean?

957

52:14,580 --> 00:52:16,120

You might be asking yourself.

958

52:16,190 --> 00:52:18,400

That's, that is what I was asking myself.

959

52:18,969 --> 00:52:23,680

So years and years and years and years

and years ago I read an interview with

960

52:23,681 --> 00:52:27,120

the guy who had produced

Queen and the Cars,

961

52:27,989 --> 00:52:29,760

I think his name was Roy Thomas Baker.

962

52:29,940 --> 00:52:34,360

And he was talking about how in some

of those [00:52:00] records when there was a huge

963

52:34,390 --> 00:52:35,960

chorus, a huge choir,

964

52:36,290 --> 00:52:40,400

it was actually just two or three people

singing different aspects of the same

965

52:40,401 --> 00:52:42,200

part over and over and over again.

966

52:42,201 --> 00:52:44,680

And then he would build

as in like multi-track,

967

52:44,840 --> 00:52:47,400

build the choir with

just these few voices.

968

52:47,810 --> 00:52:50,440

So they're singing like

in different notes?

969

52:51,320 --> 00:52:52,800

Notes, different . Yeah.

970

52:52,801 --> 00:52:55,120

Got it. They're singing

along with themselves.

971

52:55,930 --> 00:53:00,280

So in the album Resound, I had wanted,

972

53:00,580 --> 00:53:04,600

and even in Reprise I had wanted

to use a big gospel choir,

973

53:05,060 --> 00:53:09,680

but both records were made during

the pandemic. And so you can't,

974

53:09,710 --> 00:53:14,080

like there's one thing you can't do in a

pandemic is have lots and lots and lots

975

53:14,081 --> 00:53:15,440

of people in a room singing together.

976

53:15,870 --> 00:53:16,361

Okay.

977

53:16,361 --> 00:53:16,800

Right?

978

53:16,800 --> 00:53:17,633

Yeah.

979

53:17,969 --> 00:53:21,800

So then I decided to do what

Roy Thomas Baker did and

980

53:22,881 --> 00:53:27,080

get one or two people to

basically build a choir with me.

981

53:27,230 --> 00:53:28,001

Okay. Yeah.

982

53:28,001 --> 00:53:32,920

And so I would take one person and put

them in my studio and have them sing like

983

53:33,030 --> 00:53:37,560

a [00:53:00] low part, a mid part, build

a chord with their voice,

984

53:37,561 --> 00:53:40,640

and then I'd bring another person

in to do the exact same thing.

985

53:40,780 --> 00:53:45,760

And so the choirs on Reprise and

Resound is really only two or

986

53:45,761 --> 00:53:49,200

three people, um, just built and

built and layered and layered.

987

53:49,201 --> 00:53:52,400

So you're hearing, and I don't know

if, and does this make sense or not?

988

53:52,489 --> 00:53:53,600

No, this makes sense to me.

989

53:53,601 --> 00:53:55,880

It'll make when we, when we do

it, it'll make perfect sense.

990

53:56,081 --> 00:53:59,840

So it's basically you

can hear like 80 voices,

991

54:00,100 --> 00:54:04,320

but it's only three people

singing 80 different parts.

992

54:04,670 --> 00:54:06,239

Just layered right on top of each other.

993

54:06,239 --> 00:54:09,400

Layered. And you end up

with this beautiful choir.

994

54:09,910 --> 00:54:10,710

Rich.

995

54:10,710 --> 00:54:12,040

Rich, huge,

996

54:12,041 --> 00:54:16,920

beautiful choir that's

really just three or four

997

54:16,921 --> 00:54:17,754

people.

998

54:18,160 --> 00:54:19,840

The wonders of modern music people.

999

54:19,940 --> 00:54:24,560

And in some cases, like on my weird

project, The Void Pacific Choir,

1000

54:24,790 --> 00:54:27,880

oftentimes the choirs on

those songs, it's just me.

1001

54:28,110 --> 00:54:29,960

Well, like we listened to Beautiful,

1002

54:29,961 --> 00:54:32,120

and we heard the chorus of you singing[00:54:00]

<sings> bah bah bah bah beautiful.

1003

54:36,000 --> 00:54:37,400

<Laugh>, the punk rock

version of Beautiful,

1004

54:37,401 --> 00:54:40,200

which at some point we should

release. But yeah, so it's,

1005

54:40,201 --> 00:54:44,600

it's this really fun trick slash

process of building a choir.

1006

54:44,601 --> 00:54:49,440

And we're going to do it right

now, you and me and Bagel. Okay?

1007

54:50,560 --> 00:54:52,320

Okay. Yeah, I can't wait.

I'm excited to do it.

1008

54:53,090 --> 00:54:57,360

So now we have our headphones on. And

you hear that little click track, right?

1009

54:57,361 --> 00:55:02,239

<Imitating click track> Ding don,

ding ding, don dinging, ding, ding,

1010

55:02,710 --> 00:55:05,080

ding, don ding. <laugh>.

1011

55:05,850 --> 00:55:10,360

So that's a click track, just

so I can sync everything up.

1012

55:10,710 --> 00:55:11,430

Okay.

1013

55:11,430 --> 00:55:15,360

Okay. So we're gonna build,

how about an E major chord?

1014

55:15,930 --> 00:55:19,320

So it's just gonna be one, just

for the proof of what we're doing,

1015

55:19,321 --> 00:55:21,760

we're just gonna build this

little E major chord. Okay.

1016

55:22,200 --> 00:55:25,520

So the first thing is we're

gonna sing a low e-note.

1017

55:25,590 --> 00:55:29,719

It's my lowest note that I

can sing. So here's the note.

1018

55:31,570 --> 00:55:34,400

<plays note> [00:55:00] How do you,

how do you feel about that?

1019

55:34,950 --> 00:55:35,550

<Sings> Good.

1020

55:35,550 --> 00:55:39,400

Okay, so on the count we'll do

a, I'll count you in. <sings> Oh.

1021

55:40,321 --> 00:55:44,040

Ready? 1, 2, 3.

1022

55:45,040 --> 00:55:45,873

<Sings> Ohhhhhhh.

1023

55:49,489 --> 00:55:50,322

Perfect.

1024

55:50,680 --> 00:55:50,880

That's really, really hard.

1025

55:50,880 --> 00:55:53,960

Now, this is the B. <sings> Oh

1026

55:56,420 --> 00:55:58,120

How you, how do you feel with that? Oh.

1027

55:58,150 --> 00:55:58,983

<Sings> Ohhhh. .

1028

55:59,750 --> 00:56:04,160

Okay. 1, 2, 3. Oh.

1029

56:04,480 --> 00:56:05,313

<Sings> Ohhhhhh.

1030

56:09,739 --> 00:56:11,200

Now here's the octave.

1031

56:15,440 --> 00:56:18,239

Okay. 1, 2, 3, 4.

1032

56:19,040 --> 00:56:19,873

<Sings> Ohhhhh.

1033

56:23,100 --> 00:56:25,320

Now here's the major third.

1034

56:28,400 --> 00:56:28,840

Okay, got it.

1035

56:28,840 --> 00:56:29,340

Got it. 1, 2, 3, 4.

1036

56:29,340 --> [00:56:00] 00:56:31,200

<Sings> Ohhhhh.

1037

56:36,280 --> 00:56:38,680

<Laugh>. Now we're gonna

go up to the higher. B.

1038

56:41,640 --> 00:56:43,000

Ready? Okay.

1039

56:43,000 --> 00:56:44,680

1, 2, 3, 4.

1040

56:45,170 --> 00:56:46,003

<Sings> Ohhhhh.

1041

56:49,660 --> 00:56:54,160

And now. Let's do the major third. Lower.

1042

56:55,239 --> 00:56:56,072

<Sings> Ohhhhh.

1043

56:57,040 --> 00:57:00,000

Ready? Okay. 1, 2, 3, 4.

1044

57:00,440 --> 00:57:01,273

<Sings> Ohhhhhh.

1045

57:05,520 --> 00:57:06,360

I don't know if I was

doing it right. <laugh>.

1046

57:06,360 --> 00:57:10,239

And now let's do the, this E again,

1047

57:10,820 --> 00:57:13,880

but with a little more, a little

more punch. Like, <sings> ohhhhh.

1048

57:14,969 --> 00:57:15,350

<Sings> Ohhhhhh.

1049

57:15,350 --> 00:57:16,280

Okay. Ready? Okay. 1, 2, 3, 4.

1050

57:16,700 --> 00:57:18,480

<Sings> Ohhhhhh.

1051

57:24,260 --> 00:57:27,520

And now let's do, if we can,

1052

57:27,990 --> 00:57:32,200

a very high E. This is Okay. You

can even do a falsetto. Ready?

1053

57:32,630 --> 00:57:33,340

Okay.

1054

57:33,340 --> 00:57:35,280

<Sings> 1, 2, 3, 4.

1055

57:35,490 --> 00:57:40,080

<Sings> Oh, <laugh>.

1056

57:40,580 --> 00:57:41,413

Now.

1057

57:41,760 --> 00:57:43,280

I like that one the most. Okay.[00:57:00]

1058

57:44,180 --> 00:57:45,240

Now. Okay. 1, 2, 3, 4.

1059

57:45,620 --> 00:57:48,240

<Sings> Oh.

1060

57:53,240 --> 00:57:57,840

And now very Like Opera. Okay. <sings> Oh,

1061

57:59,340 --> 00:58:01,120

1, 2, 3, 4.

1062

58:01,490 --> 00:58:02,323

<Sings> Ohhhhhh.

1063

58:06,310 --> 00:58:10,040

Okay. So what I have done <laugh>,

1064

58:10,370 --> 00:58:14,840

is I've taken all of our choir parts ,

1065

58:15,340 --> 00:58:19,680

and I've lined them up thanks

to our friend, the click track.

1066

58:19,750 --> 00:58:20,800

Thanks, click track.

1067

58:20,801 --> 00:58:24,520

And so I'm gonna slowly start bringing

them in, and you'll hear on their own,

1068

58:24,521 --> 00:58:27,360

they're all gon, the, the loop

point is gonna be awkward as well,

1069

58:27,700 --> 00:58:31,960

but once everything's in, hopefully

it'll all make sense. So here,

1070

58:31,961 --> 00:58:34,880

let's start with our [00:58:00] first. There's me,

1071

58:36,290 --> 00:58:40,120

there's you. Doesn't sound too

inspiring yet, does it? Right?

1072

58:40,650 --> 00:58:42,800

No, it does sound really funny though.

1073

58:44,300 --> 00:58:45,840

And then, so, so far.

1074

58:47,960 --> 00:58:50,560

Oh no, I was a little flat

on that one. Sorry, y'all.

1075

58:51,780 --> 00:58:56,680

And I'm slowly bringing in

our parts and it's sounding

1076

59:00,840 --> 00:59:02,720

still sounds a little bit awkward, right?

1077

59:07,900 --> 00:59:10,640

But as everything slowly

starts to come in,

1078

59:16,570 --> 00:59:18,840

doesn't it sort of start

to sound like a choir?

1079

59:20,210 --> 00:59:25,120

It does, it does sound

like a choir. <laugh>.

1080

59:29,570 --> 00:59:30,480

So that is,

1081

59:31,950 --> 00:59:35,320

that's choir [00:59:00] basic 101,

1082

59:35,340 --> 00:59:37,240

but it's gonna get more

interesting. You ready?

1083

59:37,400 --> 00:59:38,000

Okay. Yeah, Yeah, yeah.

1084

59:38,000 --> 00:59:42,920

So, so there's us as our

weird little awkward choir,

1085

59:44,980 --> 00:59:49,440

and then I take that same part

and put it through a little pitch

1086

59:49,441 --> 00:59:53,040

shifter, which on its own is

gonna sound strange. Ready?

1087

59:53,990 --> 00:59:57,520

Sounds strange, right?

Sounds terrible even.

1088

59:57,790 --> 00:59:58,580

Yeah.

1089

59:58,580 --> 01:00:02,560

But then, I sort of

1090

01: 00:04,170 --> 01:00:05,440

blended in with us,

1091

00:08,100 --> 01:00:12,560

and then Uhoh, I gotta stop

for one second. Hold on.

1092

00:13,550 --> 01:00:18,160

Okay. I'm back. So there's

the horrible sounding thing,

1093

00:18,161 --> 01:00:21,520

but it gives it a weird depth

that you might not be aware of.

1094

00:21,820 --> 01:00:26,640

And then we're gonna add

another thing for some depth.

1095

00:29,740 --> 01:00:34,600

And then here's another

pitch shift [01:00:00] where I've taken

1096

00:34,601 --> 01:00:39,600

the whole thing and brought it

down an octave. It sounds strange,

1097

00:39,601 --> 01:00:40,434

right?

1098

00:40,560 --> 01:00:43,000

Yeah. We sound like angry

trolls on the march.

1099

00:43,360 --> 01:00:46,000

<Laugh>. And then some reverb.

1100

00:54,610 --> 01:00:59,520

In fact, I'm gonna change one

of these. Hold on just a sec.

1101

01:00,190 --> 01:01:05,000

This might sound, this might not be

the beautiful choir I had in mind,

1102

01:05,001 --> 01:01:07,720

but still we're, we're a choir.

1103

01:07,720 --> 01:01:09,200

But that's my fault. I, I think.

1104

01:09,200 --> 01:01:10,240

No, it's my fault.

1105

01:10,240 --> 01:01:11,010

Okay.

1106

01:11,010 --> 01:01:15,520

So here's our choir and here's the choir

1107

01:16,630 --> 01:01:19,880

with a little bit of pitch adjustment.

1108

01:23,140 --> 01:01:25,320

And here's our low angry trolls,

1109

01:28,820 --> 01:01:33,800

and let's bring in something a little

higher. That's us up an [01:01:00] Octave.

1110

01:39,490 --> 01:01:41,000

So that's a big choir, right?

1111

01:42,590 --> 01:01:44,680

That sounds like so many people.

1112

01:45,350 --> 01:01:46,183

I mean.

1113

01:46,580 --> 01:01:51,560

And one of them, well, half of the many

people has a really hard time singing.

1114

01:52,000 --> 01:01:56,560

<Laugh>. But so the

point being that doesn't,

1115

01:56,561 --> 01:01:57,960

that's how you build a choir.

1116

02:01,470 --> 01:02:06,400

I mean, listen, that's just two

people in the course of four minutes.

1117

02:07,060 --> 01:02:09,520

And it sounds like a giant

room full of people, right?

1118

02:09,750 --> 01:02:10,370

Yeah.

1119

02:10,370 --> 01:02:12,200

Or am I just, is that a leading question?

1120

02:12,640 --> 01:02:13,960

No, I mean, it really does sound.

1121

02:14,780 --> 01:02:17,480

And do you wanna make it more troll?

Should you bring in some more trolls?

1122

02:17,750 --> 01:02:19,560

More trolls, more trolls!

1123

02:22,730 --> 01:02:23,640

Oh, trolls!

1124

02:23,810 --> 01:02:25,000

Oh no, they're coming!

1125

02:25,940 --> 01:02:28,080

And we want, let me,

1126

02:29,230 --> 01:02:32,240

here's the very high stuff.

This is up an octave.

[01:02:00] 1127

02:42,970 --> 01:02:46,480

It sounds like a beautifully

imperfect choir of

1128

02:47,960 --> 01:02:52,520

elves and trolls. Yeah. On

their first day of practice,

1129

02:52,960 --> 01:02:53,440

<laugh>.

1130

02:53,440 --> 01:02:58,200

<Laugh>. And you know what,

I'm gonna stop for one second.

1131

02:58,201 --> 01:03:01,920

Ready? Okay. Here, stop now.

And now I'm gonna ask Jonathan,

1132

03:01,980 --> 01:03:06,880

who is in Texas and who's

editing this to take our

1133

03:07,320 --> 01:03:12,320

choir, and he's gonna pitch tune

it, which is gonna take our,

1134

03:13,900 --> 01:03:18,560

our roughness here. And

he's gonna make it sound

1135

03:20,600 --> 01:03:23,360

very hopefully, very pretty.

I mean, maybe there may,

1136

03:23,600 --> 01:03:27,200

maybe he can work his

magic on us, or maybe not.

1137

03:28,600 --> 01:03:28,721

Jonathan,

1138

03:28,721 --> 01:03:33,480

I hope you can work your magic to make

everyone know that this could be a [01:03:00] very

1139

03:33,600 --> 01:03:37,800

beautiful sounding choir

of elves and trolls.

1140

03:44,640 --> 01:03:45,840

Because I'm one pitchy bitch.

1141

03:46,800 --> 01:03:51,520

<Laugh>. Still, that's our choir.

1142

03:51,830 --> 01:03:52,880

I love our choir.

1143

03:53,650 --> 01:03:55,600

If we wanted to be really annoying,

1144

03:56,710 --> 01:03:58,840

I would just let this play

for the next eight minutes.

1145

03:59,720 --> 01:04:03,320

<Laugh>, let's please spare our poor

listeners. They've been through enough.

1146

04:03,630 --> 01:04:06,720

Okay, so we'll slowly

bring our little choir out.

1147

04:09,000 --> 01:04:11,640

Should we, we'll end. We'll bring

down the pitch, the high up.

1148

04:12,290 --> 01:04:16,440

There's this one effect I just

wanna show, which is a weird one,

1149

04:21,360 --> 01:04:25,280

which you might think sounds

wrong, but it actually gives it

1150

04:27,240 --> 01:04:28,440

quite a lot of depth.

1151

04:31,730 --> 01:04:33,480

So should we, should we end [01:04:00] with just.

1152

04:33,640 --> 01:04:34,440

Oh, I like this the best!

1153

04:34,440 --> 01:04:38,520

Yeah. Should we end with just the elves

and the trolls? Like a very pretty like,

1154

04:38,620 --> 01:04:41,400

how about this? You what I'm

gonna do? We're gonna say goodbye.

1155

04:42,120 --> 01:04:44,880

We're gonna leave the

elves and the trolls.

1156

04:45,630 --> 01:04:48,200

This just sounds like a

bunch of learned angels.

1157

04:49,340 --> 01:04:53,800

And, but we're moving away from them.

Or rather they're moving away from us.

1158

04:53,800 --> 01:04:55,280

Farewell learned angels.

1159

04:58,340 --> 01:05:02,520

The angels are departing.

1160

05:02,870 --> 01:05:06,200

What do learned angels ride

on? Learned angel sleds?

1161

05:07,030 --> 01:05:09,720

I don't know. Books. Books with wings.

1162

05:10,640 --> 01:05:14,080

<Laugh>. Books with wings?

1163

05:14,230 --> 01:05:15,063

Yeah.

1164

05:15,830 --> 01:05:19,160

Okay. So the, okay. Goodbye Angels.

1165

05:22,720 --> 01:05:24,000

Learned Angels.

1166

05:28,050 --> 01:05:29,760

As they slowly depart. [01:05:00] Goodbye

1167

05:33,450 --> 01:05:34,283

Angels.

1168

05:35,210 --> 01:05:38,360

Goodbye. Learned Angels

on your winged books.

1169

05:39,760 --> 01:05:42,160

<Laugh>. Wait, are they coming back?

1170

05:42,520 --> 01:05:42,921

Oh God. Oh God.

1171

05:42,921 --> 01:05:43,490

Here they come!

1172

05:43,490 --> 01:05:44,440

Oh my God. Wait.

1173

05:44,440 --> 01:05:45,400

It's the Learned angels.

1174

05:45,400 --> 01:05:46,400

No, it's so,

1175

05:46,401 --> 01:05:48,560

it's one of those awkward moments

where you hug goodbye and then they're,

1176

05:48,561 --> 01:05:49,560

then you see each other again.

1177

05:49,800 --> 01:05:54,080

<Laugh>. I guess this isn't my

floor on the elevator. Oh wait,

1178

05:54,140 --> 01:05:56,040

now it is. Okay, now learned angels.

1179

05:56,920 --> 01:05:57,620

<Laugh>.

1180

05:57,620 --> 01:05:59,000

You know what? The learned angels.

1181

06:05,550 --> 01:06:07,400

Okay, now they're really going away.

1182

06:11,720 --> 01:06:14,600

Shh. <whispers> Goodbye.

Learned angels <laugh>.

1183

06:16,350 --> 01:06:19,200

Fair thee well, learned

angel on winged book.

1184

06:19,380 --> 01:06:22,440

Are they coming back? No, no. We

already did that. Gag. <laugh>.

1185

06:24,480 --> 01:06:25,880

Okay, so that's how you build a choir.

1186

06:25,881 --> 01:06:27,960

That was only two people in

the course of four minutes.

1187

06:27,961 --> 01:06:28,794

Yeah, that was amazing!

1188

[01:06:00] 06:40,430 --> 01:06:43,520

I thought that was going to

be so bad, because honestly,

1189

06:44,750 --> 01:06:47,680

I am really, really bad at note finding.

1190

06:48,500 --> 01:06:52,160

And I, when we were listening

to it, I was like, oh man,

1191

06:52,390 --> 01:06:55,720

I didn't really do a good job of

singing all the different notes.

1192

06:56,100 --> 01:07:00,840

And then it actually, at the end, the

Angel choir, as they were leaving,

1193

07:00,841 --> 01:07:02,160

I was like, they sound not so bad.

1194

07:02,400 --> 01:07:03,240

Yep. That's,

1195

07:03,241 --> 01:07:07,880

and that was four minutes

just to an out of tune guitar.

1196

07:08,030 --> 01:07:10,200

That's how you build a choir. Two people.

1197

07:10,500 --> 01:07:14,160

And we created a giant room

full of angels on winged books.

1198

07:15,000 --> 01:07:17,160

<Laugh>, I'm incredibly impressed.

1199

07:17,161 --> 01:07:20,280

That's so cool that you

know how to do that.

1200

07:20,280 --> 01:07:21,480

It's fun, isn't it?

1201

07:21,960 --> 01:07:22,160

It's really fun.

1202

07:22,160 --> 01:07:25,040

And you can imagine what

you can do in 15 minutes.

1203

07:25,310 --> 01:07:26,960

I can't, I can't even imagine.

1204

07:27,480 --> 01:07:32,160

That you can build these huge...

And in terms of processing,

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like I'm not very good at

[01:07:00] pitch correction. Jonathan's

really good at that.

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He'll be tempted to do that.

But then at the very end,

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it redeems itself because

angels are just harmonious.

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Thank you all so much for listening

to another episode of Moby Pod.

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If you're still here,

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you're a real one and we are

grateful for you <laugh>. Um,

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if you want to send us a question,

please do at MobyPod@moby.com.

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You know, what I would like

to do at some point is an,

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an episode that's basically

just questions from the people

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who are listening.

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I would also love that.

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So please send us whatever's on your mind

and hopefully we can get to it really,

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really soon. If you are

liking this podcast,

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please tell your friends

about it and like us on your

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app and comment, maybe rate, perhaps,

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I don't know how crazy

you're feeling today,

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but anything helps and means a lot to us.

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And I also wanna take a minute

to thank Jonathan Nesvadba,

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who edits this and does

the music production on it.

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And I want to thank human content for

getting this podcast out into the world.

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And then, uh, I guess

that's everything for now.

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Yeah.

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We'll, so we'll see you in two weeks.

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We'll see you in two weeks.

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