Moby (00:07):

Hi, Lindsay.

Lindsay (00:08):

Hi, Moby.

Moby (00:09):

So this podcast is quite different than any of the others we've done, and it actually comes with a, a sort of trigger warning, which is, uh, we interviewed our friend Rachel, who is an Exorcist.

Lindsay (00:26):

Her name is Rachel Stavis. R H Stavis is her professional name that she goes by. And she is a professional exorcist. She is an author. She's written about her experience as an exorcist. Um, and that's what she does every day, is remove entities from people in need.

Moby (00:47):

So we had an amazing conversation with her. It's not every day you get to sit down with your friend Rachel the Exorcist, and have a conversation about her history. What does it mean to be an exorcist? Is it literal? Is it figurative? But here's the trigger warning. Something happened during the interview and we've left it in, but I still can't figure, I mean, I'm an engineer and a technician. Something happened that we can't figure out. And so the trigger warning is if you're easily freaked out or if the supernatural sort of freaks you out, you might wanna not listen to this episode because we can't figure out what happened. It was a nice conversation. We had lunch, we had a nice conversation, but then something happened in the middle of the episode that I'm still trying to make sense of.

Lindsay (01:34):

Yeah, I would say that if you fall on the side of this kind of thing, making you feel a little bit scared or uneasy, maybe go back and listen to the fact battle episode again. <laugh>

Moby (01:46):

<laugh>. It was very, it was one of the more disconcerting things that I, that has happened to me in my spiritual life, in my spiritual world. <laugh>, was if you listen to the episode, you'll under, it'll make sense. But if you are triggered by anything spirit, like occult or challenging, just don't, don't listen to this episode because it's a, I'm sorry to repeat myself, but I'm still like, I'm kind of freaked out, like trying to make sense of what actually happened. So, without further ado, let's, let's play our conversation with Rachel and you'll about a third of the way, figure out and realize what we're talking about.

Lindsay (02:31):

Hi Moby.

Moby (02:32):

Hey Linz.

Lindsay (02:33):

And hi, Rachel Stavis. Hi, Lindsay Exorcist extraordinaire. Thank you. I'm so happy you're here right now. Thank you for having me. Thanks. Are really happy. Rachel and I have been friends for a really long time, so it's very fun to have an old friend here with us. <laugh>.

Moby (02:48):

How long have you guys known each other? Oh

Lindsay (02:50):

My gosh. How long have we known each other? Like nine or something Years? Yeah. Eight or nine years we've been friends. Yeah. And you met her like seven years ago. Yeah. So Rachel, we have been, Moby and I have been talking a lot about the supernatural and our experiences with it. And you are my only friend who sees demons. And I thought it was worth having you on to talk about what that is. Like <laugh>,

Rachel (03:17):

No, not complicated at all. Not complicated. Totally normal. All at

Lindsay (03:21):

All. So I thought maybe we talk about where you're from.

Moby (03:27):

Yeah. I really want to know like your origin story. Cause also, like I also have never met an exorcist before. Right. And someone who identifies as an exorcist. And so I'm really fascinated about when you first became aware that your perception was perhaps different than the rest of ours.

Rachel (03:49):

Sure. Yeah. So, um, I have had the ability to see entity with my eyes, basically my whole life as far as I remember. So it sort of started when I was a child. I would complain there were monsters in the closet, monsters under the bed, you know, typical child complaints at night, <laugh>. And they're

Lindsay (04:09):

Like, oh, Rachel's imagination. Right? She sees, she sees monsters in the closet, like all the kids. Exactly. And

Moby (04:15):

Where did you, where were you born? Where did

Rachel (04:16):

You grow up? I was born in Los Angeles actually, but I grew up in South Florida, so I would complain about these things. Parents would come in of course and be like, there's nothing here. Go to bed. But of course for me, the monsters did not go away. And at first I didn't know that other people couldn't see it. Not really, you know? So I would talk about it a lot when I was a kid and then found out that, that's crazy <laugh>. You don't do that cuz other people don't see that. And then, you know, I was kind of shunned in a way. My mother was a lot. And so I was shunned to keep it quiet. I wasn't supposed to talk about this. This made me weird. And so I learned that I don't discuss this with people. And I went a lot of years, I mean, well into my adulthood not discussing this with people.

Rachel (04:59):

I kept it completely to myself because I was terrified that I did not need one more thing about myself to be weird <laugh> mm-hmm. <affirmative> for people. So I didn't, I kept it to myself. I became a writer that's, you know, moved out here, did all the normal stuff, if you can call writing normal stuff. Um, and then it just never went away from me. I got really good at sort of suppressing it. So, and I can still do that to a certain degree because in, in some places you don't want that in your face all the time, like concerts, right. Or out in restaurants or any place where there's a lot of people can be really overwhelming energetically anyway, even if you're just a sensitive person can be a lot. So I've kind of crafted an art of suppressing it as much as possible, but it never really totally goes.

Rachel (05:44):

So I went my whole life trying not to do it, hating it, thinking it was a curse. And then when I turned 30, somewhere around 30, I had a fender bender and it was a car accident, but it wasn't a bad one or anything, but it was like one small stressor, too many for the week. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And it blew my sight open, so I couldn't do the fun thing of suppressing it anymore. And, you know, everywhere I went, like the homeless man who's screaming at something on the street, I was seeing what he was screaming at, I was seeing entity everywhere, absolutely everywhere. And I thought, okay, so I have two options here. I'm either gonna check myself in <laugh> or try to figure out why I have this, what what is this thing? And so I kind of decided that instead of closing it up, I was gonna try and open up further talk to Spirit, ask whoever gave me this, what the hell was, you know, and then hopefully learn what to do with it.

Rachel (06:40):

And so that's what I did. And it took a long time. It wasn't overnight, like I liked to joke that it was like, you know, then I started doing it. But no, it took a minute. Uh, and then I started working on people who were close to me, just friends who would allow me to work on them if I'd seen something or wanted to help them. And they were cool with it. And then after that they would start telling people and then those people would come in and then it became sort of a word of mouth situation where I saw everybody. And, uh, then eventually someone approached me to do the book. And here we are. <laugh>.

Lindsay (07:14):

That's so fascinating. So I wanna know more about the book, but I also am so interested in how you go from seeing entity to communicate. Like, do you communicate with entity directly? Because when you're, when you're working on people, you are essentially casting out whatever demon is attached to them, right?

Rachel (07:36):

Right.

Lindsay (07:36):

Yes. So how did you go from just seeing them to realizing that you could, you could ask them to do things <laugh> like, like leave

Rachel (07:45):

<laugh>? Uh, well, I don't ask <laugh>, right? So that it's complicated. I, I guess the easiest way to try and explain it without sounding super nuts is, you know, cause I know it all sounds so crazy, uh, and I'm so down to earth, so it's really weird for people when they hear this like really crazy stuff we talk about. But then it's like totally normal <laugh>. So for me it was a process of learning directly from spirit. So opening my site up to talk to spirit directly, which is not entities. So spirit, meaning, you know, all everything good, all of the source, everything we come from, that kind of stuff. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, because I figured, well, that must be where this is coming from. Why did I incarnate with this? You know? Right. So, um, I started having communication with them, opening up to my spirit guides and opening up to trusting, I guess even if you will, like, when you get something, when something comes in.

Rachel (08:34):

Because people have such a hard time trusting when when you get information or you see something on the street or a song lyric resonates with you or whatever. So I just started trusting the information that I was getting. And you know, the first time I worked on people, it was so funny because I thought I had it all down. Like, I was like, okay, I'm, I'm listening to its spirit saying this is how we do it. It's, you know, we're, we're putting, you know, essentially, um, high being energy into the body, which is expelling this, uh, low being, low frequency energy outta the body. So I was like, okay, cool, I'm, I'm gonna do that. I've got that. But then like the other things, the practical things were the things that were so messy. Like if you put candles on the floor to create your space, you could kick them over and start a fire, which I totally did.

Rachel (09:18):

<laugh>, you know, like just the, the exorcism 1 0 1 stuff you don't talk about in movies. A priest, you know, <laugh>. So, uh, and it was a process, like I said, I, I didn't trust myself to work on people for a while. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So I learned and I learned and I learned from listening, communicating the spirit and watching what I saw with my eyes and who, who had what. Because there are different types of entities which we can get into as well. But overall, I waited, I wanted to be sure, and then I started working on people. And then when that happened and I started to get it down,

Speaker 4 (09:51):

Wasn't, I never made it, unfortunately. <laugh>, I'm so sorry. Always have to work on stuff.

Moby (10:00):

Uhoh, we have to stop for a sec.

Lindsay (10:01):

What happened?

Moby (10:02):

Something very interesting.

Moby (10:09):

So we've, for those who are listening, you're probably not aware of this for the last 15 minutes we've been talking and just as you started describing what demons look like and what their names are, your microphone stopped working. Right. And which doesn't really happen as an audio engineer. Like that's just not, like microphones don't work and then stop wor I mean, they do. But like at that, that's very rare. But it was right when you were describing what the demons were, what they looked like. And if anyone's in, if anyone doubts or thinks that we're just making this up, we can play the audio. Let's play it.

Speaker 4 (10:49):

I'm so sorry. Always have to work on scale.

Moby (10:55):

And we can also send anyone a screenshot of what the waveforms look like. And you can see very clearly it just crapped out while you were described about to describe demons. I

Rachel (11:06):

Mean, it's not that surprising for me, just

Moby (11:09):

Surprising for, for civilians like me and Lindsay.

Rachel (11:12):

No, listen, I,

Lindsay (11:13):

I'm not surprised actually, <laugh>, I've, um, I've seen crazy things happen around Rachel and I know that crazier things have happened and I hope we get to, you get to tell the story of, and maybe now's a good time to tell it.

Rachel (11:26):

Which, which story? The

Lindsay (11:27):

Story about New Orleans and the lights going out.

Rachel (11:30):

Oh, okay. Yes. Okay.

Lindsay (11:32):

And then we'll go back into all the attaching stuff. But I think, yes, I think as it refers

Rachel (11:36):

To this,

Lindsay (11:37):

It's very, it's, this is why it doesn't surprise me.

Moby (11:39):

And unfortunately, cause we had this wonderful conversation and I feel like I'm just the world's worst audio engineer. Cause I should, no, I, I was seeing something was being recorded and I was like, well, signal's not great. But turns out it nothing like, it was just noise being recorded. So

Rachel (11:53):

Who knows what recorded, honestly. <laugh>, maybe something weird. If we go back

Lindsay (11:57):

And listen to it, it's probably like <laugh>. Yeah. Out to the dark, Lord,

Moby (12:01):

<laugh>. Okay. So where should we pick up? And I apologize to the listener for whatever has caused this interruption because it's, I I, I don't, I, we, we, our 2020 minutes of conversation out the window. Thanks demons

Lindsay (12:17):

<laugh>. Thanks demons. Well, I wanna talk about all the stuff that we had been talking about that's very germane to Rachel's experience and expertise. But in light of what happened with the power going out on this mic or this mic breaking or whatever happened, the cable going out, will you just tell the story real quick to Moby about what happened in New Orleans with Kate?

Rachel (12:37):

Yes. Okay. So we were at our place in New Orleans and um, I wanna say it was like, it's like your wife, it's fiance Technic technically, but <laugh> because we have yet to do anything about that. But yes,

Moby (12:49):

Sorry, sorry, I didn't mean to uncover another

Rachel (12:51):

Oh no, no, that's fine.

Moby (12:52):

Vegan can of worms.

Rachel (12:54):

<laugh>. No. So we were at our place in New Orleans, it must have been around, I don't know, one in the morning. And we were just going to sleep. And there is a, uh, nightlight in that room that is a projector nightlight that shows fish in an aquarium. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So, and that is important. Sounds

Moby (13:13):

Delightful and calming <laugh>. Yeah.

Rachel (13:14):

It's important to note. So I get visitations. So visitations for me are entities that come because they are curious, interested in why I can see them or what's going on. Uh, they usually come at night, uh, sometimes they come all night, which are nights that I call a bad moon <laugh>, where you just get one after the other after the other. But that was not this case. I had a visitation of an entity that I was unfamiliar with that is specific to New Orleans. Um, and if anyone wants to name it, you please let us know. So it was kind of a benchy like creature who came up, opened its mouth and there were like rows and rows of teeth and like, almost went to bite me. So bizarre. Like a very strange thing. And then out of the corner of the room, there was another being that came forward because this was actually very, it was very strong, extremely malevolent feeling.

Rachel (14:10):

And this other being came forward, this would look like a man from like, who knows when a long time ago came out of the corner and put its arms around the entity and took it back into the shadow. Hmm. And I bolted up <laugh> in the bed and at the same time Kate was like, oh my God, what just happened? Because Kate had had a dream of the same thing. And I looked up and I did not see the fish on the ceiling. And I was like, wait, something's wrong. And we look outside and it's the, the, uh, place is on Esplanade and we look outside and all of Esplanade in our area is black. So we found out the next day that it was only our square block that lost power for no, no reason. At hours,

Lindsay (15:02):

At like at around,

Rachel (15:03):

At that exact time. One 30

Lindsay (15:04):

Yes. Am when they went to bed and,

Rachel (15:06):

And this happened.

Moby (15:07):

Okay. <laugh>.

Lindsay (15:10):

So all of this to say when things break or go on the fritz around Rachel,

Moby (15:17):

It's definitely precedent for this. Yes,

Lindsay (15:18):

Exactly.

Rachel (15:19):

Yes,

Lindsay (15:20):

Exactly. And that's only one example of many. So,

Moby (15:23):

Okay, so I have a question Sure. Of lots of questions, but one of my questions is what, do you have any idea what these entities, these demons are like, are they ghosts, are they frustrated energies? Are they extraterrestrial, are they primordial? Like do you have any sense of, because what you just described sounds sort of anthropomorphic, like, like as you said, like someone, someone came out of the shadows who looked human from a long time ago. Like do you have any idea what these demons are? And also also

Lindsay (15:53):

The difference between deceased people and entity. Right.

Rachel (15:55):

Okay. So we're gonna take it back aways cuz I don't know what cut off and what didn't. So first of all, the, the, to clarify, um, the being in that room that I was talking about that took that creature away is what I consider a high being. So I'll get into that cause we'll talk about the diamond chart in a second. But, um, entities or what people call demons are not deceased people. Deceased people are their own thing. So these are energies, demons, whatever you wanna call them that come from something different that are their own thing. So the diamond chart is this two dimensional diamond. You know, if you can visualize that in your mind, you know, high beings are everything above us. Spirit guides, angels, you know, everything up until, you know, whatever your, your view of God is or source or whatever.

Rachel (16:44):

And everything under us in the diamond chart is, you know, low beings. Everything from a Clive, which is the lowest, you know, the easiest kind of leach of the entity community, if you will, all the way <laugh> to the realm walker, which is the worst of the worst, which is what I believe people think is the devil. Um, so those are, you know, where we are in, in the scheme of things. Um, and we kind of, uh, I'm not sure if we got this, but we walk around with what I call a baseline frequency, which is how we interact with ourselves, how we interact with the world, how conscious we are. You know, if we're just like unconscious, there are a lot of people walking around that are just purely unconscious <laugh>. Um, and so, you know, on a scale of one to 10, if one is dead and 10 is Buddha, you know, most people are at like a four. And when we work on ourselves, we can get higher on that scale of course. But it's like not that fast. It takes time to work on yourself. It's, it's a process. But when we have trauma, when we have a trauma that baseline frequency takes a hit, and now we are in low frequency mode.

Moby (17:48):

And we talked about that being sort of like the equivalent, like if you have a piece of metal, the metal gets to scratch. Yes. The rust attaches itself, or like opportunistically, <laugh>, the rust comes in and opportunistically attacks the damaged part.

Rachel (18:03):

Exactly. It's, it's such a double-edged sword, right? Like you have trauma, you don't need more stuff, but that's kind of how this works. So, and, and it's, it's so rough because, you know, it's not easy for people to just get, move forward from trauma. Like it takes a lot of work. It's hard, you can't just pick yourself up. And it's, it ridiculous to think that that's something you should be able to do. But unfortunately that is how this works. So when you are in a state of trauma, low frequency, all of that, that's how these things attach. And, and each one is looking for a specific energetic signature that matches so that it can feed. It's not, it's not like when you see in the movies where it jumps out of the person and then goes from person to person to person in the room. Like that would not happen.

Moby (18:49):

And so when you're working on people, are you ever, because it's, it's sort of like the way you're describing it sounds very sort of like normal and methodical <laugh> almost like you're like, like you're scraping barnacles off a ship or something. Like Yeah, the barnacles attached themselves. I scrape 'em off <laugh>, but like

Rachel (19:06):

<laugh>, that is how I've been told I talk Yeah.

Moby (19:09):

<laugh>. But are you, like you, you talked about this encountering this really terrifying demonn in New Orleans. Yes. How often does that happen?

Rachel (19:19):

So people always ask me like, aren't you scared? Do you get scared while you're doing this? And I would say for me the, the more scary aspects of this are like working in spaces, um, because this, the, the ones, the entities that hold space are more on the very malevolent side. Not to say that people can't get that, but most people don't get that. You know, um, that's a special case. So I guess the answer is, uh, it's, it is scary. It's also really dangerous, especially in spaces. It's incredibly dangerous. Um, the entities that, when you

Moby (19:53):

Say spaces, you mean talking about physical Yes. Spaces that might

Rachel (19:56):

Hotels mm-hmm. <affirmative>, uh, old sets sometimes all kinds of, anything that has high traffic, that had mass trauma. Um, so entities that hold spaces like that can honestly pull, you know, sinks off the walls. It can make people violently violent, uh, or sick or whatever. Um, so those are, it's, it's a whole process to go and do those spaces. And it's not that I don't get scared, but I always like say like, you don't want me going in scared <laugh>, you don't wanna frightened exorcist. Let's just put it that way. <laugh>. Like, that's the last thing you want. So I just go in and I, I make it my job. This is my job, this is what I do. I don't have time for that. I have to keep my own frequency high. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, I have to be able to do the work that I'm about to do. And I will have to, especially in spaces, they could take so many hours because you have to go from like, there's no stone unturned in the space. You have to go through the whole thing twice. So

Moby (20:53):

Regarding spaces, so Lindsay, before we, before we met up, Lindsay and I were talking and, uh, we were talking about whether I wanted to discuss my experiences. Okay. And on one hand I was like, Nope, I don't, like, I really like not pretending that nothing has happened, but I do like not not thinking about it. Right. But what you're describing is, is resonating with me. So can I tell you my story? Of course. Yeah. I just simply, I just love your perspective. Sure,

Rachel (21:22):

Yes, absolutely.

Moby (21:24):

Okay. So when I was around eight, nine years old, I was living in Stratford, Connecticut and one of my favorite places to play was the foundation of an old building that had burned down. And I, my friends and I played there all the time. And around this time when one day I was back at my house, which is a few blocks away, and I started hearing my name being whispered. And weirdly, I wasn't that scared. Like I just didn't really pay that much attention to it. Which, which is weird because I was scared of everything, but for some reason this name being whispered didn't scare me. And I was like, in hindsight, I was like, why? If I'm scared of the tv, if I'm scared of everything, why wasn't I scared of actual physical manifestation of something? And I never told anyone about this. Okay.

Moby (22:10):

And then about three years later, I bought a book about Poltergeist. The lead story in the book happened in the house where the foundation was that I'd been playing. Okay. It was the most famous story, most famous haunting poltergeist story in Connecticut ever. And turns out it was that house where I used to play in the foundation. And here's where it gets even stranger. Um, I I to, I showed my mom this story and she turned Ghost white. And she was like, I never told you about her. She used to hear my name being whispered in the house all the time, and she never told me, cuz she didn't wanna scare me. Right. One time we were away and she let some friends stay in the house. Like when you said a physical space that will tear a sink off the wall. We let some friends stay in the house, they were having Thanksgiving, the plates flew off the table and they refused to ever come back in the house again. Right. Then my mom, one, she was dating a guy in a motorcycle gang and was trying to break up with him and he tried to stab her to death. And I had no rec recollection of this according to my mom. And she never told me I materialized in the kitchen and stopped him from stabbing her to death.

Rachel (23:23):

And you have no recollection.

Moby (23:24):

None whatsoever. I have a, I have a, she like, it's almost like I can see it out of the corner of my eye as like, just like a glimmer. And who knows what the truth of that might have been. Maybe I woke up, went downstairs, I don't know. But it was all of that. I've never really told anyone these stories. But hearing you talk about the physical space. And so I just wonder also, so if you, if someone objectively came to me and said, guess what, all that it's just childhood imagination, I'd be like, great <laugh>. Like I'm not looking for validation. I'm just curious to know as an expert what your perspective on that is. Well,

Rachel (23:59):

It very much feels like that was something that was protecting you. So negative entity, most likely not, but could have been someone deceased and or you being highly connected at that time to high beings of some sort. Whether it was, you know, um, a spirit guide that was manifesting in some way or uh, you know, something like this. But if it doesn't, that doesn't feel malevolence at all. No, that's the thing. Yeah. No way. From

Moby (24:29):

My perspective, and like I said, my whole life I've been scared of things. That's not something I was ever scared of.

Rachel (24:34):

Yeah. Definitely something that came in for protection. A hundred percent. But it does feel real like when I, when I reach into that, um, it doesn't feel like that was anybody's imagination. It feels absolutely real.

Moby (24:47):

It, I don't, yeah. I <laugh> it doesn't, it doesn't feel like imagination to me cuz I, cuz it's just the fact that it was the lead story in this book took place. I was like, what in the world? Like you buy a book on Poltergeist and the most famous story in the book happened in the vacant lot where I used to play all the time. Right. I was like, that's just too specific. Like, do you

Lindsay (25:12):

Remember the story of what happened in that house? Blocked

Moby (25:14):

It out. I I read the story, the story was not a happy story. Yeah. And I just didn't, so I was like, I nope, I didn't want, I was like, it, it's cuz at some point as a child, I just blocked this whole, I was like, Nope. My mom and I never talked about it again. We were just like, let's just pretend that this never happened. It

Rachel (25:31):

Sort of feels like to me when I ask cuz you know, I'm, this is not a visual medium, but I'm like looking out to the sunset here. Cuz that's how I get information when I ask. It feels like something was in that space in particular that was not able to do the protection it was supposed to do in that space. Hmm. And there was something about you. And you know, when, when we're talking about high beings or, or any of these types of things, time is not, it doesn't work the same way it does here. So they often know what will happen before we do. I mean, they always know what'll happen before we do, but it feels like this particular being knew what was gonna happen maybe with you and your mom and all of this stuff, and was like, okay, here's my chance to fix something. I

Moby (26:16):

Love that.

Rachel (26:16):

Yeah.

Moby (26:17):

I mean, again, if, if there are people who are listening who are like, what a load of horse nonsense, I'm like, fine. I'm not trying to convince anyone. No.

Rachel (26:24):

I'm neverm trying to convince anybody anything <laugh>. But,

Moby (26:27):

Um, and I also, I do apologize for bringing that up and monopolizing our time. No,

Rachel (26:31):

But I just, I know. Don't you lose,

Lindsay (26:33):

I've never heard you tell that story. That's fascinating to me. Yeah.

Rachel (26:36):

Um,

Moby (26:36):

I don't,

Lindsay (26:37):

And I thought I knew all of your ghost stories.

Moby (26:38):

I'm an old person. This happened 40 or five ish years ago and I've never, I don't, no, I don't, I don't tell that story.

Rachel (26:47):

I mean, if you didn't, and

Moby (26:48):

I told it, you guys

Lindsay (26:50):

<laugh> everyone listening

Moby (26:51):

On the planet who's listening. So like, hey, boy,

Rachel (26:54):

If you didn't, if it was not comfortable for you to look up that story, but you trusted Lindsay to look at that story, I'm sure there'd be something in there that makes sense in what we just said.

Lindsay (27:04):

I think so. I bet. I mean, should I, can I look it up right now? Uh,

Moby (27:07):

Maybe later. Let's just Okay,

Lindsay (27:08):

I'll, we can, we can

Rachel (27:09):

Drop it whenever, whenever. But I do,

Lindsay (27:10):

But I do think, because when we're talking about spaces and these beings entering the spaces that one that you have worked with or would like to work with in a more real way or know about is the Cecil Hotel in downtown Los Angeles. Right. Which is a notoriously haunted hotel. And it's where like all of these former serial killers used to live.

Moby (27:33):

And why hotels? Because I, they're for example, like, I stayed at the Chateau Marmont once about 20 years ago because I thought like, oh, I'm a rockstar. Everyone stays at the Chateau. I should stay at the Chateau. I slept with all the lights on and after one night would never go back there again. Like I was like,

Rachel (27:46):

It's super haunted, Chateau. It

Moby (27:48):

Was, it, I've never in my entire life been more scared of anything. Like, I was in my room like, and I was like, I couldn't turn the lights on. I had to go to the bathroom. I was like, I'm not getting up and go to the bathroom. Like, I'm like, just the sim a similar thing happened at the Hollywood Roosevelt, but only in the old upstairs part.

Rachel (28:06):

Oh, I like the energy in the Roosevelt. But it, but similarly haunted and like, you know, I'm sure you know this or have ex you know, thought about this about yourself, but you are super sensitive to deceased people. Like very, very, very sensitive. I be, I know nobody really <laugh>, whatever. I say that to people, they freak out. Pretend.

Moby (28:24):

Yeah. Like, like,

Rachel (28:24):

But like, but some people just are,

Moby (28:26):

I stick my fingers in my ears and just them

Rachel (28:28):

<laugh>. Then you don't have to use it. That's fine. You know, you don't have to communicate with them or any of that stuff. I'm,

Moby (28:33):

Man. And now the first house I lived in, in LA

Lindsay (28:37):

You had a ghost there that would melt the blocks.

Rachel (28:40):

Oh, why? But you didn't communicate with it? I tried. Oh,

Moby (28:43):

I wanna know why. But like, stuff, it stuff, all I can say stuff happened and I didn't like it. Yeah. And it, I, it felt very sad to me. Like, like of course. So the, the people who live there now seem to be super happy. They've not maybe, maybe whatever this was left, but like some stuff happened that I just didn't, like,

Rachel (29:02):

People don't realize this because they're always like very sad. And, and of course they are when people pass and we all are. But I always say this and people laugh at this, but it's totally true. Deceased people don't shut up. Deceased people want attention. <laugh> deceased people are trying to get your attention. They will do anything to get your attention. And they don't have boundaries unless the person that they're trying to talk to sets a boundary. So they'll just wake you up, do whatever, do you put on visual shows, all kinds of things to get your attention. Especially if they think you're a person who has that ability, even if you're not using it. Right. So like,

Lindsay (29:38):

They don't talk to me cuz I don't, I don't listen. <laugh>

Rachel (29:42):

<laugh>. But they want to <laugh>.

Moby (29:45):

Yeah. Yuck.

Rachel (29:47):

But you know, with entities,

Moby (29:49):

I, yeah, it's like, I, like, I'm hoping, like of course everyone wants to feel, I want to, like, there's part of me who wants to be feel special, wanna have unique abilities, but I'm also like, no, I don't want, I,

Rachel (29:58):

It's not for everyone. And I understand that because it is really scary for people. And when people come to me, they're terrified the first time they come to me because they're like, what the hell am I gonna, what is this about? You know? Yeah. But, um, one thing we didn't get to talk about, I think because it was part of the, the Gone Bits <laugh>, uh, were the different types of entities that Oh yeah, that's important. Ask me. So just for people out there and that

Lindsay (30:22):

Can bring us to the realm Walker that

Rachel (30:24):

Yes, exactly.

Moby (30:25):

Okay. Okay. So I know Lindsay, you were beginning to ask about the Cecil Hotel. I

Lindsay (30:29):

Was only because I mean, we know that you work on people and casting out you and I, I don't remember if we got into this on the part that we lost or not, but basically you are using powerful, like high frequency energy to basically push out an entity

Rachel (30:48):

Essentially. So we're flooding the body with high being energy. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So the relationships that I've created with specific high beings to push that energy into the body, which pushes the negative energy up. And then, you know, I'm able to essentially pull that out of the body mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And, and we can't keep that energy in the body long, the high being energy because it's, it's too much for our bodies. We're not really supposed to be carrying that. So it starts to break things down a little bit. So we don't do it for, you know, more than, I mean depends on the person, but you know, no more than like an hour or so <laugh> at a time because then it would become a slightly dangerous, it's like a

Lindsay (31:25):

Chemical pill. You can't have too much of a good thing.

Rachel (31:27):

Yes, yes, exactly. <laugh> too much of a chemical pill would be terrible. Yeah. <laugh>. But we didn't, we might have not gotten here is the, when we went over the different types of entities. Oh right. You know, the different Yes, yes, yes. Species, if you will, of entity mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So I'll just quickly go back over that. Um, and I did say then, although I don't know if it matters still, but I've just put it out there that when we talk about entity, you know, we're also talking about trauma. So I just wanna put it out there that we are discussing traumas just as a warning that we're talking about trauma. Um, so the lowest on the, the, uh, entity poll <laugh> mm-hmm. <affirmative>, if you'll, uh, is what I call, uh, a Clive very scientific, it looks like a Clive Barker drawing to me. That's why I call it that. Uh, there was no handbook for me to do this. So I kind of started keeping track of, you know, what I was seeing and working on with people all the time. And this is the one that works as an amplifier. So if you're, you know, sad, you're depressed. If you're depressed, you're suicidal, if you're angry, you have rage, those kinds of things. And it feels very large. But a Clive is actually very small,

Moby (32:32):

So it takes negative emotions and amplifies

Rachel (32:35):

Them. Just yeah. Just megaphones that mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So, um, you know, I always think about like a kitten puffing itself up. That's kind of what a Clive looks like in my mind. It's not actually what a Clive looks like, but that's kind of how I tell people <laugh> what that is. Um, because it feels very overwhelming and it, a lot of people are walking around with Clives they don't even know they have. It's very easy to pick up. It's also easy, you know, to work on yourself a little bit and have them drop off. So you could have had many Clives throughout your life without knowing. And it is the easiest for me to take out. And it's, you know, not really malevolent, not really intelligent, just kind of there just like a elite, just kind of Yeah. Feeding. Yeah. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Um, and then we go up to what I call rates, which are, um, attached from trauma.

Rachel (33:17):

So there are a lot of those things in the world. So I see a lot of rates mm-hmm. <affirmative>, uh, and they are the ones that cause night terrors and sleep paralysis. And then we go up to tricksters, which is, you know, the imaginary friends, the ones that show themselves to people. Um, not really, but what people wanna see of them to form more of a symbiosis. So we're starting to get into that intelligent space now. Um, and I've had people visit me who thought their deceased relative was around them, thought they had a genie attached to them, thought they were attached to an arc angel. And yet their life is like falling apart at the seams. So, you know, when they come in and they're very sure that's what's going on, part of the journey is to, you know, show them like, if this were actually the case, your life would not be feeling like this.

Rachel (34:06):

And getting people ready to remove that. Because again, in that case, people are conscious of that. And so a lot of times they have to be ready to let go of that, if that makes sense. So, you know, sometimes it takes a while to get them ready for that. And then we go all the way up the chain to collectors, which are highly intelligent. Um, and those are another, uh, entity that holds space. So what that entity does is it takes the deceased in a, a space of mass trauma and tries to hold that energy in place and uses the deceased to scare the living, and then takes the energy from the living. It's a whole process. So they,

Lindsay (34:46):

So they can't exist without a

Rachel (34:48):

Deceased? Not really. So they, they seek out spaces where people are so traumatized in their deceased state that they don't know where to go. Mm. And they hold them there. And so when I do a space like that, I have to clear the deceased people first and then the collectors. So I have to make the collectors smaller by taking the deceased people out, by having communication with the deceased people and allowing them to leave. Uh, and then all the way up to what people think. I think people think is the devil. Which I will just disclose that I have never seen that. Um, what the worst that I have seen is what I call a realm walker. And that there's more than one on the planet. It's not super common, but it's not one off. Um, and that can hold spaces people, um, it can erase people's memories in, in like on mass. Uh, it can attract people to an area from hundred thousands of miles away. Uh, it can do anything that any entity underneath it can do plus. And it is the most malevolent and the most intelligent of all.

Moby (35:51):

It can move to Florida and start mar-a-Lago. <laugh> <laugh>.

Lindsay (35:56):

But that, that would require intelligence <laugh>. Um, so now

Moby (35:59):

This would, she's saying this is, this is the intelligent one, this is the Oh, I see. But maybe actually like that's an insult to the realm Walker <laugh>. Yeah, that's

Lindsay (36:07):

What I'm saying.

Moby (36:07):

To make a joke where I compare it to Trump. Cuz Trump is much more just sort of like the dumb baby of demons. Well,

Rachel (36:14):

And you know what's so crazy? So my book, um, sister of Darkness came out a few years ago and I was working on the book while all of those things were going on. And, uh, I kept getting question after question after question about is there a realm walker involved in that? And I was like, yes, but it's not, it's not on Trump <laugh> mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Like it's someone you don't see at all. You know, that's really behind major, if you know what I'm saying. Yeah. Like, it's, it's not, it's not on who you think you see. And it very rarely is in any capacity the person that you think is like the worst of a whole bunch of people. It's always somebody in the background that's a thousand times worse than that. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>

Lindsay (36:58):

Like, I feel like you see this what you were talking about with maybe it was the Clive, where it's amplifying if you're angry, it becomes like this intense rage. And I feel like so many people I know about something that's logically not that bad, they suddenly become rageful.

Rachel (37:15):

Well, I think there's been a major shift on the planet if we just wanna go into like, overall views here of how much the negativity is trying to take over mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And since there's, it's a weird thing because if I look at for myself, like entities on the planet and where we are at and all of this, it's not as huge as it feels because it's really made itself vocal. You know what I mean? Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So like, it's just a, the that loud minority of people mm-hmm. <affirmative> not to say that at small either. <laugh>. Cause it's definitely expanded. Yeah. Um, and so one of the things that I'm hoping to do soon, so I've been asked over all the years I've been doing this to do unscripted shows, reality shows, and I've always said no because it, it wasn't, I've never been in it to do stuff like that. I've only been in it for the work. So I've been like actually very bad about promoting myself or doing anything as Lindsay knows. Like, I'm terrible at it. Like I'm not great at social media, like all the things.

Lindsay (38:17):

And by the work you just mean working with people on an individual level.

Rachel (38:21):

Yes. Doing the work. You know, that, that's what has always mattered to me more than anything. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So, you know, I've always said no to doing those kinds of things, but because of the state of the world now I've decided that I finally do wanna do that. Um, but I want, what I'd like to do, my, my dream unscripted show right now, um, is that I would love to go to different towns in the United States, different cities go to spaces where, you know, in that town, this space is like they're black hole mm-hmm. <affirmative>, it's, it's the place where the darkest energy is. People have terrible stories there. It's brought everything down in its area. And go in, talk to those people, find out what their experiences are, of course. If they're willing to share that, and then go in and cleanse the space town by town.

Rachel (39:10):

I would love to see how different those spaces and those towns become once that negative, that major negative energy is out because it's so influential. It's so influential, it's a big space. It, it can bleed out into the surrounding areas and it would be a gift to be able to go and change everything for the better and invite, you know, all of this good into that space that's just been like that forever and ever. And we do have a space like that here, which is what you were talking about earlier, which is the Cecil Hotel, um, that space. So if you're not in Los Angeles, that space, or if you don't know anything about it, I should say, um, it's been home to the worst of the worst. Uh, and it, it's disappearances, assaults, all kinds of things, you know, mur, it's house murderers over and over and over again.

Rachel (40:00):

People have jumped like so many suicide, all kinds of things. And personally, if you live here in Los Angeles, and, and especially me, I guess because I see people on an individual basis a lot, I mean, so much has gone on in that space. It's insane. And there is a realm walker in that space, and I would love to be able to go in and cleanse that space. Um, and of course they've, they've, I mean, they're still trying to renovate that space into lots of different kinds of things. Every five minutes, it's something else. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. But unless you clear that space of that energy, what is the point? Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you know, and it's so funny because people don't believe that. Like, I, I could say these things forever and ever, right. And have people be like, yeah, okay, whatever. But my answer to that is, well, if it, if you don't believe it, who cares? Anyway, just let me do it. This doesn't, it's not gonna harm you <laugh>. Right. Like, I'm not trying to convert you. I'm not, this is not a church. You know, like, just let me do it. Why not? What's the harm in it? So, you know, maybe one day <laugh>, but

Lindsay (41:00):

You've also, you've talked about to go in there and cleanse that space, you would need to have help, like from a medium or something to help to kind of put, get the deceased people in the space in, uh, have like manage them so that you can deal with the other stuff.

Rachel (41:16):

Yeah. So that space in particular are spaces like it too are very large spaces, just physically, they're very large spaces. And so for myself to go through that space to be able to cleanse that space, I have to go into every room, every bathroom, everything. Like, I can't just like sit in the lobby and go, Ooh, it's done.

Moby (41:34):

You can't burn some sage. No,

Rachel (41:36):

No, no. I wish I could. Believe me. I mean, it saved me a lot of hours. So it would take me like 24 hours mm-hmm. <affirmative> to go in and do that. Because also I should note for people listening, um, is that once you start, you should not stop. So once you start, you start agitating what's in the space. So you need to just keep going. Um, because otherwise it makes everything worse. Hmm. Uh, which has happened to me. Like, there have been situations in which a very long story short, you know, I've been doing sets or doing this or doing that, that someone, um, brought me in for that somebody doesn't know I'm supposed to be there doing. So they're like, what are you doing? You shouldn't be doing this. And I'm like, until y'all work it out, I'm gonna go <laugh> because I'm never gonna argue with someone about that.

Rachel (42:19):

Yeah. And then I'll get a call the next day, like, why did you go, everyone got sick. Someone is in the hospital. This happened that ha we had fires, we had audio from rooms. We don't have, you know, any like crazy stuff. And I'm like, okay, do you want me to come back <laugh>? And they're like, yes. So I would go back and finish. But in a space like that, with something that bad, it's like once you start, you better go. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you better just go get it down like black mold. Yeah. You know,

Moby (42:44):

Like you, you can't get rid of black mold in one room. No.

Rachel (42:48):

In the house. Right. You have to do the whole thing. So, you know, in a space that would take me that many hours and would be that exhausting, it would be helpful to have someone who can work with the deceased people. So I don't have to, um, and I can just focus on my attentions on this one thing. And I know that the deceased people who are in that space will also be taken care of. So there's no issue, you know.

Moby (43:11):

So before we have our lunch, um, I wanted to be, people are listening, I, I guarantee you 99% of the people listening are like me, where they have no familiarity or experience with this. And so two questions. Sure. If people are interested in finding out more, both about you, your work, but also just this process in general, is there a resource where, where can people go to find out about this?

Rachel (43:39):

Um, okay. Well, you know, I can only speak for myself, <laugh> mm-hmm. <affirmative> and what I do. Right. So if you wanna know about more, uh, you know, entities, how to tell if you have, you know, an attachment, what to do if you do. Um, I also offer like a 30 day connection to spirit that I teach, which is what my second book will be about. Um, which is just kind of learning how to open up your senses but also protect yourself and raise that vibration. My book Sister of Darkness is in all bookstores. I have an Instagram, I'm just RH Stavis. It's like Davis with an St. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Um, and we do have a scripted series in the works with FX that I'm really excited about that I'm hoping we'll get to, you'll get to see next year. Um, we've been working on it for a little while,

Lindsay (44:22):

Rachel and the actress writer show on our extraordinaire Pamela Adlon.

Rachel (44:26):

Yes. Uh, and

Lindsay (44:27):

Better things. I'm a huge fan of,

Rachel (44:29):

She is amazing and very genius. And we also, um, have, uh, Beris and Emma Roberts as executive producers on it as well. And they're fabulous. So we are working very tirelessly to bring this memoir to you, um, for that. And uh, I hope that you will watch it when we have it. But in the meantime, to learn about entities, the book is really the best. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you know, and of course it's whole audio and library as well. So you didn't have to. And are

Moby (44:55):

There some simple sort of protective healing practices people can do? Like, cuz we have people listening from all over the world. Sure. Yeah. Um, they might not have be able to access certain books in some countries of, of course. So like, are there some very, like if someone is feeling scared or someone feels like they need some extra protection and healing, can you recommend a few just sort of pr like, like a practice someone can do on their own?

Rachel (45:21):

Yeah. So let, I'll give you a very quick rundown of the 30 day connection to spirit because it takes five minutes a day and it is the best thing to do to both rid yourself potentially of entity and attachment, but also raise that vibration and frequency mm-hmm. <affirmative> so that you become something that there's nothing to feed from. And also open your ability to talk to spirit if you want to, you know, if you're open to it. Um, and it's very simple. It's a three step process. Anywhere you are inside, outside, you know, day, night doesn't matter. You're just gonna sit, you're just gonna close your eyes, take a few deep breaths and you're gonna say to whatever you are comfortable with. For me it'll be spirit. So an okay spirit, you know, I'm asking you please to enter my body in spirit, to look through my body to see if, um, there's any trauma, old blocks, old pain, you know, attachment, anything negative that's in my way.

Rachel (46:13):

I'm asking you to please take that out of my body. And most people who are not super blocked up, they will start to feel the rushes of the spine, the hot and cold in places, you know, all of those great things so they know that it's working. They can feel that working. And when you feel ready, because this is an intuitive process, it's not like a meditation or anything, but when you feel ready, you move on to the second step, which is basically just basically looking for, uh, any blessings, you know, uh, any messages that you wanna bring to me. Anything that you, you, oops, sorry, <laugh>, <laugh>, I just made a mess. <laugh>, did I make a mess? No,

Moby (46:49):

No. <laugh> next.

Rachel (46:50):

Anything that spirit wants to share with you and your job is just gonna be to pay attention. You know, uh, any kind of like we said before, song lyrics, feathers, coins, you know, any messages if you see a feather, like look up what that color means. If you see repeating numbers, look up what that means. You know, all of that good stuff and trust what's coming in. And you're also just going to focus on something you're grateful for in that moment. Because being in a space of gratitude, even if it's for a little bit, raises your vibration. We wanna do that quickly. So we wanna focus on anything we're grateful for in the moment. It could be so small, it could be so big, it could be different every day. It does not, not matter. Just put yourself in that space and allow that to happen. And if you do that every day for 30 days, it completely changes everything. But also

Lindsay (47:36):

Rachel covers this really thoroughly Yes, yes. On her Instagram and social media. Yes. So follow rh STAs for those updates cuz I actually really use them and engage with them and I think they're amazing. Thank

Rachel (47:50):

You.

Moby (47:50):

One sort of adjunct to the gratitude process that I find really helpful. Sure. Our friend Julie told me about, um, cuz I had been trying to do a gratitude process for a long time and I didn't find that it was really impacting me or was very effective. And what she suggested that really works and really helps is you identify the thing you're grateful for and then you have three reasons why. Oh,

Rachel (48:15):

I love

Moby (48:15):

That. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And it really, it just deepens it. So if I can say like, I look out the window, I'm like, I'm grateful for my trees, eh, that's nice. But then I'm like, oh, because they're beautiful, because they cool the air because they turn carbon dioxide into oxygen because they provide homes for creatures. All of a sudden the gratitude for me becomes so much deeper.

Rachel (48:34):

I love that. And it's, yeah,

Lindsay (48:36):

That's really, that's

Moby (48:36):

Really good. I didn't come up with it. Thank Julie.

Lindsay (48:38):

It like grounds you more and it becomes less of like a kind of abstract thought and more Yeah. Cause a lot of

Moby (48:43):

People are like, you can feel it like people are on text threads where they trade gratitudes. I'm like, I'm grateful for my kids. It's like, yeah, fine, but why? It's the re you know, like add those reasons why. And I'm just saying from experience I find it really like expands and deepens the process.

Rachel (48:56):

Yeah. Anything that you can do to put yourself in that space where you, you can let the stress go for a moment and just realize why you're here. And then if you can take that with you into the world, it sounds so cliche and maybe cheesy or whatever, but the more conscious you are in the world, the higher your vibration will be. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Because the more you are conscious with how you treat yourself and how you treat others, creatures great and small on this planet, absolutely everything, how you interact with the world matters. It matters. And even if you do it for purely selfish reasons, it doesn't matter <laugh> because mm-hmm. <affirmative>, if you're, uh, in New York and you're on the subway and you are a person who's like, I'm not giving up my seat for anyone, I won't do it. But you're like, well I need to raise my vibration today. Okay. I'm gonna give that to this person. It doesn't matter that that's why you did it, <laugh>. Yeah. You know, you will still reap the benefit from doing it, but now you've also given that to someone else. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>.

Moby (49:56):

Um, well this was wonderful. This was

Lindsay (49:58):

So

Moby (49:58):

Great. We also had the both disconcerting and fascinating experience of something interrupting you trying to talk. So like, uh, I hope no one listening is too freaked out by that because it might be like, I could imagine someone like, oh, I'm gonna listen to this nice podcast late at night and then all of a sudden we're talking about how something has interrupted <laugh>. Like, so I hope it helps. But here, here's, I hope no one's traumatized. I hope no one's too freaked out. <laugh>. Um, and above all else, just practice self-care. Be kind to yourself. Yes. Eat well. Try and sleep well. Yeah.

Lindsay (50:37):

Keep that vibration high. And one thing I wanna say about Rachel, for anyone listening that might be freaked out, is that Rachel works in light high, joyful loving energy. That's how she does her job. So this voice that you're hearing in your ears is from someone whose energy is so light, bright, and high vibrational that she's able to literally make entities leave people's bodies. So,

Rachel (51:03):

Yeah. Well, thank you. That's, that's very nice.

Lindsay (51:04):

It's a good voice to have in your ears.

Moby (51:05):

Speaking of self-care and high vibration energy, now we get to eat lunch.

Lindsay (51:12):

Okay. Yes. Now ours lunch.

Rachel (51:14):

Okay.

Lindsay (51:14):

Thank you so much, Rachel. Yeah.

Rachel (51:16):

Thank you for having me. I had so much fun. Good.

Lindsay (51:32):

So that was our conversation with Rachel. She's a dear friend, an incredibly intelligent person, someone that I've been able to rely on and count on in my life in so many ways. And also, it's such an honor to have someone come and talk to us who's had such a unique experience in their life. Like how many people are there in the world who can say that that's a, what they've been capable of, and B, what they've managed to, to do with it. But on top of her, you know, the, the exorcist, the entity removal, all of that. I think something that I really love about Rachel's approach to spirituality and all of that is that you have to really take care of yourself and love yourself, and keep yourself in good spirits. And as she would call it, in a, in a high vibrational state, which is just good. It's just a good thing to do, to not let yourself fall into negative patterns, to kind of keep yourself good and healthy and strong mentally and physically and emotionally. And I just think her, her whole approach to that is very inspiring as well. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> also, she's fun and funny and pretty. Yeah.

Moby (52:41):

<laugh>, I remember when you introduced me to her, I was like, well, I've never met an exorcist before. <laugh>, I've never met someone who self identifies as an exorcist, like who spends their days dealing with demons, either literal or figurative or metaphoric. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. But also, I want to say, if you doubt what happened technically during the interview, um, we will on social media, post a screenshot of the file from the pro tool session. So you can see this is not us inventing something. We don't know what happened, but it really ha something, something really happened and we can't make sense of it. I hope you found it interesting. I mean, how often you get to have a conversation with an exorcist and Yeah. I mean, the world is a complicated place and whether there are literal demons or figurative demons, we are all definitely tortured and plagued by things, whether it's thoughts, patterns, external demons, who knows what. Yeah. And you're right, like the, the more we practice viable self care mm-hmm. <affirmative>, the less likely we are to be damaged by things, whether real demons or just bad emotional patterns.

Lindsay (53:53):

Yeah. Rachel, if you follow her on Instagram or whatever, TikTok, Twitter, uh, RH Stavis, she does a lot of programs that are like 30 day programs where you kind of like journal and find your way to gratitude and just ways to kind of keep yourself feeling happy and healthy and in a good state of mind so that whether it's a demon that's trying to knock on your little door <laugh> or just sadness or whatever, you kind of are a little bit better equipped for whatever may come your way.

Moby (54:22):

So thank you for listening. And like I said, we still can't figure out what happened during the interview and I will post it, we'll post a screenshot so that no one thinks we're making anything up. <laugh>,

Lindsay (54:35):

I think, I mean, yeah. There's, there's every reason to be skeptical, but it happened, y'all.

Moby (54:40):

Yeah. Whatever, whatever happened did actually happen. And we have audio and photographic evidence that we'll post.

Lindsay (54:48):

But anyway, I hope it was really informative and interesting for you and, uh, we'll see you in a few weeks. Um, I just want to say thank you, a big thank you to Human Content who gets this podcast into your ear brains

Moby (55:04):

<laugh>. You're good old ear brains <laugh>. Okay. So we'll see you or talk to you in two weeks. See

Lindsay (55:12):

You in two.