Moby (00:05):

Hi Bagel.

Bagel (00:06):

Hi Moby.

Moby (00:07):

Hi Lindsay.

Lindsay (00:08):

Hi Moby.

New Speaker (00:09):

So we have a lot that we wanna talk about today. So some of it, some of it is sincere and earnest. Some of it is patently ridiculous. Mm-Hmm. <Affirmative>, some of which I don't know about because you haven't told me what we're talking about yet.

Lindsay (00:20):

I've got a couple of surprises up my sleeve.

Moby (00:24):

You're not rea you're, you're wearing a T-shirt. Tiny. That doesn't really have tiny, okay. Tiny, tiny

Lindsay (00:27):

Sleeves

Moby (00:28):

<Laugh>. But the first thing is a secret invitation that is only for now going out to podcast listeners.

Lindsay (00:38):

If you are listening to this right now, you are getting a extra special transmission treat.

Moby (00:44):

Allow me to explain more <laugh>. I am going on tour. Woo-Hoo. In September. And you're a plane

Lindsay (00:51):

For our birthdays. Yeah,

Moby (00:52):

But I think I'll be there for my birthday. Maybe yours as well. Yeah, mine 25th,

Lindsay (00:55):

You'll

Moby (00:56):

Be there. So that's a big tour playing big venues like the O2 in London's, like 18,000 people.

Lindsay (01:01):

So crazy.

Moby (01:02):

And it's only in Europe, but here's the thing. Yeah. I don't know why I'm saying this. Like you don't know I'm, you know. No,

Lindsay (01:09):

I like it. It's drama and I enjoy that. So

Moby (01:11):

I'm only going to do one US show, and it's a very special type of show 'cause it's very small. It's acoustic with a string section and very interesting guest vocalists. And it's also going to be a live Moby pod. So

Lindsay (01:26):

We're recording a live episode of Moby Pod and a lot of music from play.

Moby (01:31):

It's on May 31st, correct? Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. And it's going to be in the old Masonic Temple at the Hollywood Forever Cemetery

Lindsay (01:39):

Here in Los Angeles where we live.

Moby (01:41):

And there are only a hundred tickets

Lindsay (01:44):

Total.

Moby (01:45):

And so we're gonna announce it for real this coming Monday. But now, if you're listening to this, that means that you know about this, hopefully a couple days before anyone else will know about it, because forgive me if this sounds self-aggrandizing, or just completely self-involved. But like the show in Antwerp holds 17,000 people and it sold out in a day. That

Lindsay (02:05):

Is so insane. That's like Gaga.

Moby (02:07):

It's like 17,000 tickets sold out in a day. This is 100 tickets. <Laugh> super intimate. You and Bagel will be hosting. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> You. And I'll be talking about the story of play. And while we're talking about play, we're going to be playing acoustic versions of the songs from play. Mm-Hmm.

Lindsay (02:23):

<Affirmative>. So if you can get to Los Angeles, go to moby.com and grab those tickets right now. So

Moby (02:31):

Here's what we're gonna do. If you go to moby.com, there's going to be a special button that says Moby Pod listeners. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. You click on a form mentioned button and it will take you to a link where you can get two tickets. And also the Hollywood Forever Cemetery is fascinating. It's

Lindsay (02:49):

So cool. It's, it's a cemetery. Fully set. Fully a cemetery. Yeah.

Moby (02:52):

I mean, everybody from I think Johnny Ramone to Rudolph Valentino, so many fascinating people are buried there. So walking

Lindsay (03:00):

Through the graves is so wild.

Moby (03:03):

But this is the Masonic temple that's within the Hollywood Forever Cemetery. So it's like, which

Lindsay (03:08):

Is also has its own kind of lore and mythology.

Moby (03:11):

Yeah. So you'll be one of a hundred people at this intimate live Moby Pod recording in the Masonic Temple at the Hollywood Forever Cemetery. I think I've said that enough times, right?

Lindsay (03:20):

I think so. And people know where to go. They know to go to Moby.com button and they'll be a button. And to find their special button. Yeah. And then they're gonna get a couple tickets if they can get to LA for this. So I really hope that you can be there. If you get a ticket and you're coming, send us an email and let us know that you'll be there. 'cause We're so happy to have you. We love to do these live events and get to have our listeners come like we did last year.

Moby (03:45):

And it's also, it's a very different type of performance than the tour I'm doing in Europe. The tour in Europe is like full band, loud lights, visuals, craziness. This is Fly

Lindsay (03:53):

Girls,

Moby (03:54):

Maybe not Fly Girls <laugh>. But this is intimate with just like only acoustic instruments, piano, guitar, cello, viola, different guest vocalists. So I hope that you'll join us on May 31st, the Masonic Temple at the Hollywood Forever Cemetery for this very special event.

Lindsay (04:12):

Yay.

Moby (04:24):

What else you wanna talk about? Well,

Lindsay (04:25):

Moby, you love language, you love vocabulary, you love puns. You love etymology, you love words. And as do I though, I have to say your vocabulary far surpasses anyone that I know.

Moby (04:42):

I don't know. I think I have like five fancy words that I just get a lot of use out of. No,

Lindsay (04:46):

No, no. Every time we have a conversation, you say a word that I'm like, I've known you for so many years and you're pulling out a word. Not only have I never heard from you, but I've never heard period.

Moby (04:55):

Okay. So I think what where we're going with this is we're gonna do etymology, but I have another fun idea. What if we, for fun, pick words that we wish more people knew so we could use them more often? Like, or, or just like super interesting words that we love that are very either like strange or obscure.

Lindsay (05:18):

You're very good at this. See, I'm not as good as that.

Moby (05:20):

You have your computer though. You could, you could be looking it up while like, oh yeah,

Lindsay (05:22):

I guess

Moby (05:22):

That's true. This

Lindsay (05:23):

Excites me. But you, you have this, you have a laundry list of fascinating weird words. So, so I would love for you to go through them because mine,

Moby (05:30):

You're better at this. And there's a where live and there's a chance that the words I pick might be wrong. Like I've been wrong before. Okay. So how about to start one of my favorite words, eschatological. And you can, you can look it up if you want to make sure.

Lindsay (05:47):

Does that mean like the history of the story of fishes?

Moby (05:50):

<Laugh>? It should mean the story of fishes, but it's actually is pertaining to the apocalypse or the end of days.

Lindsay (06:00):

The, and a logical means

Moby (06:02):

The word. Like it's from the Greek logos. Yeah. Yeah. So eschatological. So an eschatology is like the study of the end of days.

Lindsay (06:12):

Okay.

Moby (06:12):

Do you wanna just double check

Lindsay (06:14):

Relating to death, judgment and the final destiny of the soul. And humankind. So you could study eschatology. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> Eschatology? Yeah.

Moby (06:25):

Isn't that a fun word? Yeah.

Lindsay (06:27):

What? That seems like something Angelina Jolie would've studied in the late nineties. You know what I mean? When she was wearing the blood?

Moby (06:33):

Oh, when she was making out with her brother <laugh>. Yeah. Okay. So that's one of my favorite words that unfortunately very few people seem to know. 'cause What a good one. What a dramatic word.

Lindsay (06:44):

Esco. Eschatological. Yeah. And you don't get to use it a lot.

Moby (06:47):

I mean, except these days everything's eschatological. It's like the climate is eschatological. Antibiotic resistance. Ends of democracy. Microplastics. Like just ev we're living in eschatological times.

Lindsay (06:59):

Yeah. It's dark and sad, but also kind of beautiful

Moby (07:02):

And dramatic. Yeah. Okay. Do you have a word?

Lindsay (07:04):

Something that I do, I do really love is like, like I think old slang is really funny. Not necessarily words,

Moby (07:10):

But like, like 23 Skidoo or Hung the Moon.

Lindsay (07:14):

Or like, there's one, there's like an old Victorian, I think it's Victorian slang from like the late 18 hundreds. But when you're drunk, you, you say like "he's got a brick in his hat".

Moby (07:25):

<Laugh>.

Lindsay (07:27):

That guy's drunk. He is got a brick in my hat. I got a

Moby (07:30):

Brick in my hat. I mean, makes sense. 'cause You're kinda like stumbling around like you've like this giant heavy thing in your head. Okay. So Victorian. Yeah. Slang for you're drunk, you've got a brick in your hat. Yeah,

Lindsay (07:40):

That's, it's really funny to me. Okay,

Moby (07:42):

So one last one before we get to at teal. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. There's a word that I love. It's not dramatic, it's not that interesting, but it's actually a word that describes what the word is. It's a really interesting word. And if you say it, it sounds like you're saying a wrong word. And the word is practicable. If you ever heard this word, no one uses the word practicable.

Lindsay (08:09):

When I hear the word practicable,

Moby (08:11):

It sounds like someone with a brick in their hat trying to say practical. Yeah, exactly. I have been not practic <laugh>. So practical, practicable, uhhuh. <Affirmative>. So practical as we know. Like, like to say, like, do you want to go up the mountain? And you're like, well, it's not really that practical meaning like, we got stuff to do. I gotta be at work. So it's just not a very practical thing to do. Practicable means can we go up the mountain? Like is it actually achievable? Do we have shoes? Do we actually know where the mountain is? Is there a road? It's the basics of like, can something be achieved?

Lindsay (08:49):

Wow. Practicable. Is it practical? No. I mean that makes, that makes sense. I kind of like it.

Moby (08:53):

Can you look it up? Just because I want to be double checked.

Lindsay (08:56):

Practicable able to be done or put into practice successfully. Yeah, you've done it.

Moby (09:02):

It's such a good word.

Lindsay (09:03):

Your explanation was apparently practicable. Thank

Moby (09:06):

You. <Laugh>. Okay, so now we have probably lost or alienated every, everyone listening was like, I'm gonna get stories about the Dalai Lama and I'm gonna hear about touring. And instead we're deconstructing eschatology and practicable and learning Victorian slang. So there are five people who are enjoying this. Everybody else has turned off.

Lindsay (09:27):

I don't know. I trust our people a little bit more. Okay. So I have some entomological fun things that I would like to share with you that I think are cool. And then I would love it if you would share some etymological things that you think are cool. Okay. Are you ready? Sure. okay. Get ready to be blown away. Okay. There's a new conjunction and it's very rare for a new conjunction to show up in a language because we have our fixed conjunctions. Is

Moby (09:55):

It turnt?

Lindsay (09:56):

No, but okay. Close Our conjunctions now are FANBOYS. FANBOYS For, And ,Nor, But, Or, Yet, So FANBOYS are the existing conjunctions, but we have a new one. Slash.

Moby (10:12):

Oh, interesting.

Lindsay (10:13):

Actor slash model or I want to sleep slash snack.

Moby (10:18):

That's so interesting. Oh, is hyphen also a new conjunction?

Lindsay (10:22):

You can use it as a conjunction, but I think slash is the one that people are recognizing as like it's, it's more common in the current vernacular is slash. Isn't that interesting?

Moby (10:34):

It's, I mean, yeah, it's not etymology per se, but it's really interesting. Well, it's

Lindsay (10:37):

A word thing that I find to be very interesting. Not all of this is etymology, but some of it's,

Moby (10:42):

And and there is, if we haven't lost everyone listening this next bit Absolutely. Will. There's descriptive versus prescriptive language rules. Okay. But basically one says this is language, this is how you have to use it. And the other says, this is language, this is how people use it. We will now change the dictionary to reflect that.

Lindsay (11:07):

I love that. I love that Language is constantly evolving and the internet has had a lot to do with how language evolves.

Moby (11:15):

There's a great book about that by Bill Bryson called English and how it got that way. And it's about the weird origin of like, for example, certain words, especially portmanteaus, where they combine two words. Mm-Hmm. <Affirmative> were seen as like horrifying by the grammarians and the English scholars of the day. Like, like the word automobile, heresy. Like apparently people were like, that is not a real word. Or weekend, same thing. Well

Lindsay (11:40):

Then they would've hated my next thing, which is for instance, the word deadass. You know how people will say deadass? Like if they're super serious, they'll be like, I went to the store and all the lights were out, dead ass. They're both intensifiers and sometimes intensifiers for words can take on their own meanings. Like, that's a sweet ass Prius. You just mean that's a <laugh>.

Moby (12:06):

That's a sweet, no one has ever said that. <Laugh>. Yeah,

Lindsay (12:09):

That's, you just mean that's a sweet Prius. But sweet ass like has become its own kind of like exclamation. Okay.

Moby (12:16):

Or

Lindsay (12:17):

Sweet becomes its own exclamation or like, you know, I'm dead tired. Dead becomes like dead wrong, dead serious. Okay.

Moby (12:25):

So dead ass.

Lindsay (12:26):

It's basically, I find it to be very interesting how in the English language, intensifiers can become their own meaningful words. Okay. I really love that.

Moby (12:36):

Are there any other historical examples you can think of?

Lindsay (12:39):

Okay, so like when you say I'm dead tired. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. If I say I'm dead, you

Moby (12:46):

Know what I mean? Oh, okay. I see what you're saying. Yeah.

Lindsay (12:48):

So the intensifier becomes its own meaning.

Moby (12:51):

Yeah. Well that is one, one thing I am constantly thinking about regarding language, especially the English language is how anyone ever learns it. Mm-Hmm. Like earlier you mentioned slash as a conjunction, that is now part of an accepted lexicon, but it also means to cut something violently. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. And in the uk colloquially it means to urinate.

Lindsay (13:21):

Oh really? I never knew that. So

Moby (13:22):

How, like, I just think of all these, or there's one sound in particular, and maybe we've talked about this before, but there's one English language little collection of letters that makes me wonder how anyone ever learns to speak English. OUGH.

Lindsay (13:40):

Like though bough ought

Moby (13:44):

Rough.

Lindsay (13:45):

Yeah.

Moby (13:45):

How does anyone know? Like if you're learning English as a second language and you see OUGH like through it also is drought. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> through the drought there was a bough that was rough. Yeah. It's all these different sounds with the same letters. So,

Lindsay (14:00):

But that's why this is 'cause when someone, if you were to say to someone I'm debt, they'd be like deeply concerned if they didn't understand the Yeah. The connotation within the English language. Yeah. But also because you could say like badass, which are two objectively bad things. Like if something is or bad Mm-Hmm. <Affirmative> you would think that they're not good. And then suddenly you put them together as intent as their own intensifiers and they mean something. That is really great.

Moby (14:28):

Par everybody <laugh>.

Lindsay (14:31):

But I have one more that I think you'll actually really like that's a little bit more etymological than the other ones I was talking about. Are you ready? Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> the word zero, which I think is a really interesting word.

Moby (14:41):

I, I assume it's Greek.

Lindsay (14:43):

So it's a weird word because zero came later than all the other numbers. Like if you look at the Chinese symbols for 1, 2, 3, they're just horizontal. One horizontal line, two horizontal line. Mm-Hmm. <Affirmative> three. But then if you look at zero, it's a much more complex character because it's not accounting word. The word for zero in Chinese comes from the word drizzle because rain is fragmentary and zero is a fragmentary number. Hmm. Which I think is absolutely fascinating. But our words in English one to 10 come from like the proto European numbers. But those were made before the concept of zero even existed. So we borrowed the concept of zero from the Arabic number system, the word cer, which means empty and comes from the Sanskrit word for desert. But then the word zero is also related to the word cipher, which comes from blank, which comes from the Arabic word for zero because zero is hard to comprehend. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. So cipher is kind of like secret code because it's, you know Hmm. Mysterious or hard to understand. Like the concept of zero was when this language was coming together. That

Moby (15:52):

Is really interesting.

Lindsay (15:53):

I think it's so interesting.

Moby (15:54):

It's also interesting how much, I didn't know that, how many number related words come from Arabic? Yeah. Like algebra Mm-Hmm. <Affirmative> being a good one. Okay, so we've had a good time with our etymology. Do

Lindsay (16:08):

You wanna talk about any other etymology things?

Moby (16:10):

The only one, I don't even know if it's etymological, but it's just interesting is I'll use by way of example the word sumptuous. This is also pertaining to how, I don't know anyone learns English.

Lindsay (16:23):

Sumptuous meaning thick and sassy.

Moby (16:25):

Sumptuous is like, oh, like indulgent and Yeah. Luxurious <laugh>. Okay. Then tell me about the word presumptuous.

Lindsay (16:33):

It means

Moby (16:34):

To

Lindsay (16:35):

Presume,

Moby (16:35):

Assuming. So here's what's confusing. Sumptuous presumptuous should ideally mean before being sumptuous, but they're two different completely different words with different roots. So presumptuous is from the root sumer, which means to know. So to presume is before knowing, like to claim knowledge before knowing it has nothing to do with sumptuous, even though it's the exact same word.

Lindsay (17:00):

Whoa.

Moby (17:01):

Isn't that weird?

Lindsay (17:02):

I

Moby (17:02):

Think that's weird. So weird. So now I'm sure that we have lost every single person who'd been listening at the beginning.

Lindsay (17:08):

No, no. I think they love it. Okay. and if they don't that's okay. You don't have to love everything we do. But it'd be cool if you did. I would love to talk about, this is something that we don't do a lot mo and I feel like we should start getting into the habit of maybe doing it more uhoh, which is stuff that we really love.

Moby (17:26):

Oh, okay. Like stuff

Lindsay (17:27):

That we love, like books, TV shows, music products food brands or drinks or anything. Like what

Moby (17:35):

Do you love

Lindsay (17:35):

Right

Moby (17:35):

Now? Like, I think Okay. And there's a 30 rock episode where Liz Lemon takes Sleeping Pills and Hallucinates that she's sitting next to Oprah on a plane. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. And it turns out she's sitting next to a 14-year-old girl, but she thinks it's Oprah. Good. And so when she gets off the plane, she basically repeats everything that the 14-year-old girl has said as one of Oprah's favorite things. 'cause Apparently Oprah has said,

Lindsay (18:01):

Did Oprah actually come on the show?

Moby (18:03):

Oprah was

Lindsay (18:04):

Oprah. She played herself

Moby (18:05):

Oprah, but it turns out it was a 14-year-old girl. Right, right. Liz Lemon was just hallucinating. Okay. So

Lindsay (18:09):

That's really

Moby (18:09):

Fun. So, but that's when I learned, I think Oprah does a thing where she's like, picks her favorite thing. She

Lindsay (18:14):

Does, she does. Also, I think like Reese Witherspoon does it like Okay.

Moby (18:18):

It's thing people. So we're being inspired by Oprah and Reese Witherspoon. Yeah. But

Lindsay (18:21):

Also,

Moby (18:21):

So we've either reached a new high or a new middle. I can't figure out,

Lindsay (18:24):

Here's the thing, here's what the girlies say. Mm. I don't gate keep gatekeeping. Meaning if you love something and you aren't sharing it with the people who listen to you or care about what you think. So we ain't gatekeeping no more.

Moby (18:38):

Okay. I guess in the Bible they would say like, don't keep your light under a bushel.

Lindsay (18:42):

Exactly. That's exactly. It's, it's more biblical, I think what we're doing here.

Moby (18:47):

Okay. So we're, we're not gate keeping our lights under a bushel. Exactly. We're gonna talk about things that we love. Yeah. If you brought this up, that makes me think that maybe there's something that you love, that you want to talk about.

Lindsay (18:57):

There's a lot of stuff I love. There's

Moby (18:59):

A lot. And we're not allowed to be general. Like, I love trees. Like, I'm not allowed to say like, Hey, my favorite is trees. Like, are you're talking more like, not

Lindsay (19:06):

Like cultural things or things that people can also, you know, go out and maybe enjoy themselves. Great TV shows. Okay. Music, whatever can be free can be not free. Okay.

Moby (19:17):

Do

Lindsay (19:18):

You want me to say my Yeah,

Moby (19:19):

But start,

Lindsay (19:20):

Do you wanna

Moby (19:20):

Say your mine are all old? I don't have anything new.

Lindsay (19:23):

You don't have new books?

Moby (19:24):

I've been rereading all my old favorite books, so I, I don't have, so yeah. So I mean, I have lots of stuff that I love, but honestly everything I like my cultural world right now is definitely a little antiquated, but I'm happy to, I'm perfectly in a non gate keeping unapologetic way. Happy to share what I love. Just keep in mind it's all stuff that's a little older.

Lindsay (19:47):

Okay. Well, some of my stuff is not exactly new. Like the, a book, a book that I'm loving, that I'm reading right now by Kazuo Ishiguro who wrote Remains of the Day. It's called Klara and The Sun, and I'm bringing it up to share in general, but also because I think you would really like it because it's from the point of an AI named Clara who is charged by the sun. And she has this like, really sweet power of observation and she's so curious about humans, but she just wants to find like her forever home. And there's just like a gentleness to this ai. And she's, you know, she just spends every day watching humans and trying to figure out how they work and trying to like, find her place within the human world. And there's something so like devastating and beautiful about it. But it's also like, it's a lot of stuff I love, like it's, you know, it's sci-fi, suspense mystery, but also like coming of age, like of a robot. Mm-Hmm. <Affirmative> <laugh>. But it's really good.

Moby (20:46):

Okay. What's it called again?

Lindsay (20:47):

Klara and The Sun. Okay, great. By Kazuo Ishiguro. So, so good. Highly recommend, but also something that I, we were listening to today that I think a lot of people might discount Beyonce. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. They might say it's just a pop album or it's just a country album and I have no interest.

Moby (21:05):

I'm gonna weigh in as well. Yeah. I did an interview earlier with a French magazine Mm-Hmm. <Affirmative>. And he was asking me about new records that I liked and I said, well, this might sound strange. I really like some of the new Beyonce record. And he rolled his eyes with the same way I would have. Like, I I, when I heard she was making country record, I was like, well, I assume it's gonna be sort of ironic, kind of goofy. Like, but it's not, I mean, I only heard a few of the songs, but like, there's

Lindsay (21:33):

27 tracks. Oh

Moby (21:34):

Boy. But some of them were like, it's like alt country from the seventies. Like some of the productions almost reminded me. I was like, it reminded me a little bit of Beck's Sea Change thematically, but it also, it felt like, like that early seventies acoustic alt country and her voice sounds amazing. I have to say I liked it a thousand times more than I thought I would.

Lindsay (21:56):

It's so special. And I hope you hear all the rest of the songs. Like, there's a part where she sings opera beautifully, but also she covers Blackbird. She covers Jolene in a way. Mm-Hmm. <Affirmative> that I just love so much because I always felt like, I mean, obviously Dolly's version is perfection, but she takes a little bit more of like an agro version of it and it's very satisfying. But also she samples Nancy Sinatra it's all over the place. It covers so much Willie Nelson's on the album. Like, it's, it's really special.

Moby (22:26):

Yeah. I gotta say I, the limit amount that I heard I liked more than I thought I would Yeah. In a way that I was kind of taken aback by.

Lindsay (22:32):

I love that. Yeah. So just to say, if you were thinking that you weren't a Beyonce fan, maybe give this one a go because it's it's a special album, but also, I mean, I could, I could go on about stuff I love.

Moby (22:44):

Do you

Lindsay (22:44):

Wanna share some stuff you love?

Moby (22:45):

Sure. Good. Go. Go. What immediately comes to mind that I've recently rediscovered is David Lynch's Mulholland Drive. Because

Lindsay (22:54):

You love lesbianism. No,

Moby (22:56):

It's not that there, I mean, there is, there is Spoiler alert, there is,

Lindsay (23:01):

There's some lesbianism,

Moby (23:02):

A saphic scene <laugh>. But I had sort of, 'cause I mean, I love the David Lynch movies, especially the ones that get weirder and weirder, like Fire Walk With Me and Inland Empire, Lost Highway, like all of them are flawless. In fact, I might rewatch Lost Highway tonight. In fact, I'm going to rewatch Lost Highway tonight.

Lindsay (23:20):

Hell yeah.

Moby (23:21):

Oh. Have you seen Lost Highway? No. It's so good. <Laugh>. It's the, it's one of the most perfect LA movies.

Lindsay (23:27):

Okay. Yeah. I, I know I wanna watch it.

Moby (23:29):

But Mulholland Drive, because Mulholland Drive wasn't, I don't know if it was supposed to be a movie, it was supposed to be a the beginning of a TV show. Hmm. That he then I, my limited understanding is it was canceled as a TV show, so he turned it into a movie and it is so special. And it has some, some of the, the scenes are so experimental and so unsettling, like, and it all takes place in our neighborhood. Like every, if you watch it, you're like, oh, I know that street. Like one of the most disconcerting scenes takes place at the ranch. You know, the

Lindsay (24:05):

Oh, the hol in the Hollywood.

Moby (24:06):

Yeah. The one at the top. What's that road? I don't know the name of the road, but

Lindsay (24:10):

Yes, I know what you're

Moby (24:11):

Talking about. So I just recently rewatched Mul Halland Drive and I was like, oh my God. Like, it's so dark. There's some scenes that are so scary, truly upsetting and scary. And the, the narrative resolution at the end is really grim. Fascinating. But a spoiler alert. But it kind of, the revelation of the narrative at the end is very <inaudible> to our current zeitgeist.

Lindsay (24:38):

Interesting. Okay. Well that's a teaser. If I've ever heard one I'm

Moby (24:42):

Teased. And, and Naomi Watts is great in it.

Lindsay (24:44):

She's always great.

Moby (24:45):

But this is, yeah, it's really special.

Lindsay (24:47):

Okay. I'll watch that one. That's a good one. Are there any like, you know, interesting soaps you'd like to talk about? Like an interesting soap you've used? I

Moby (24:57):

No. Should There don't make me, you make me uncomfortable. <Laugh>. I bathe. Why are you, what are you implying?

Lindsay (25:04):

No, no, no. I'm not trying. It's not a bathe sha a

Moby (25:06):

Bath shaming <laugh>. I do bathe. I just only ever used one product,

Lindsay (25:11):

Which is?

Moby (25:12):

But it's, it's the same product that my mom used that my mom and her hippie friends used in the sixties.

Lindsay (25:18):

So you've been using it for generations. It's

Moby (25:20):

Why would I get something else? It's fine. It's organic because

Lindsay (25:23):

You love,

Moby (25:24):

I like, I don't even love it. I just use Dr. Bronner's. There

Lindsay (25:27):

You go. Dr. But

Moby (25:27):

I also use it to like clean my toilets. Like it's a,

Lindsay (25:31):

Granted, it's good for everything. You can use it for anything. Yeah.

Moby (25:33):

And, and then if you get bored, you can read the text. If you've never read the text on a Dr. Bronner's bottle, they've had to edit it. It used to say that you could use the soap as birth control <laugh>. It actually did say you, Dr. Bronner's orig. They would have text on the, the label that said like, here are the things you can use it for. Like a mouthwash. Oh no. You don't wanna use it as a mouthwash. I wouldn't. And you could use it as birth control. I think they had to take that out because clearly no one should be using soap as birth control. But nonetheless, it's a great soap. You know how many ingredients it has? Three.

Lindsay (26:04):

That's how you know it's good. Yeah.

Moby (26:06):

It's like water soap and oil.

Lindsay (26:08):

I've lived in that Bronner's life. Not fully. Yeah. I'm getting there.

Moby (26:10):

That's my,

Lindsay (26:11):

But I love, I, it's because of you that I'm living even a partial Bronner's life,

Moby (26:15):

But I'm, and again, I don't wanna endorse it necessarily, but it's the only thing I've ever used. And I'm like, why would I, why, why try anything else? Yeah. I don't, I don't need products and I'm feeling judged. No,

Lindsay (26:25):

No. Don't

Moby (26:26):

Feel judged. <Laugh>. No, I'm, I'm judged. I'm feeling judged by the people listening. They're not

Lindsay (26:29):

Judged. You're, wow. That is projection.

Moby (26:31):

I'm feeling judged by myself. Okay.

Lindsay (26:34):

Well, I think it's great.

Moby (26:34):

Only bagel isn't judging me. I don't know. It's just we live in a world where everybody has so many products and things. I feel kind of inadequate that I have one.

Lindsay (26:42):

No, no. I think, think it's wonderful.

Moby (26:43):

I brush my teeth with a toothpaste. Well,

Lindsay (26:45):

That's a good, yeah.

Moby (26:46):

<Laugh> <laugh>. It's also Dr. Bronner's toothpaste.

Lindsay (26:49):

Yeah. That's nice.

Moby (26:51):

It's organic. You

Lindsay (26:51):

Have a brand you love. I think that is wonderful to have a brand that you love, but I

Moby (26:54):

Don't even love it. I just like that it's simple and smells Okay.

Lindsay (26:58):

I see. Okay. Here's one thing I wanna say.

Moby (27:00):

Okay. I'm gonna take it back. I don't feel judged. I just feel kind of defensive and inadequate than a, in a world where everyone has a million brands, I have a brand.

Lindsay (27:10):

Well, I love it. I love that you love the simplicity of it. And I think that a lot of people just want simple. And so for those people, it's great.

Moby (27:17):

Okay. So what else is on your list of things we should talk about today? Well,

Lindsay (27:21):

I thought we could do a couple of, of fun things. Uhoh, like a little fun game.

Moby (27:26):

Oh boy.

Lindsay (27:27):

I just wanna do one, finish the lyric, because we talked about Beyonce and so I just wanted throw a little Beyonce, finish the lyric in there. Okay. But also as I was looking, because I knew I wanted to do this, and I was looking at the top forties to see like, what songs are popular right now. And it was really depressing for me because I didn't know a lot of the artists on the top forties,

Moby (27:47):

Probably for the best.

Lindsay (27:49):

I don't know. I felt like, oh man, I've really, I've jumped the shark of my like, cultural awareness.

Moby (27:56):

I mean, I'm not the person to ask about it, but it does seem like a lot of top 40 music is kind of designed for 15 year olds with attention deficit disorder <laugh>, who are like DMing while checking social media and making a TikTok. Like I feel like the main criteria for pop music now is how does it work on TikTok? Yeah. Like, like can you add it to a video of some, like someone falling off a skateboard? Yeah.

Lindsay (28:24):

Or can you do a little dance to it? Which there are a lot of dances to the song that I've picked today

Moby (28:29):

Because I, I try occasionally to go listen to modern pop music and it just, it means nothing to me except for the occasionally, like some track will come through and I'll be like, oh, I like that. But for the most part it's just, I, I don't wanna be a cranky old guy. Too much of a cranky old guy. But so much pop music just feels so manufactured and lifeless.

Lindsay (28:49):

Well, it is, I think by design, honestly, because it's also not really about the music anymore, it's about the, I mean, not across the board, but I think for a lot of people it's about the aesthetic of the artist and the video that comes along with it and the branding that comes along with the video and the Yeah. You know, it's more of like part of a marketing system as opposed like,

Moby (29:11):

I don't Yeah. I don't even think of it as music anymore. Yeah. To me it's like, it's it's manufactured product. Yeah. So, okay. But we're gonna finish a lyric. We're

Lindsay (29:19):

Gonna finish, finish a lyric from Cowboy Carter. From the single from Cowboy Carter. Okay.

Moby (29:25):

Is that Beyonce?

Lindsay (29:26):

That's the name of her. Her album that just came out. Oh, okay. Okay. Here's the lyric. This ain't Texas. Ain't no hold them. So lay your blank down, down, down, down.

Moby (29:39):

Lay your vegan anchovy paste. Lay your NASCAR T-shirt. Lay your water bottle. <Laugh>. I'm okay. All I'm just gonna keep I'm, until someone stops me, I'm just gonna keep, so this is

Lindsay (29:55):

Really fun for me. So I hope you keep going.

Moby (29:57):

Lay your grapefruit, lay your circular from Costco. So far. I'm thinking grapefruit sandwich or circular from Costco. Let's just, because it's America. Let's go with circular from Costco. Circular. Circular. Like those mail outs from Costco, they're called circulars. You didn't know that. Everybody knows that. <Laugh>. Yeah, circulars. So lay your, lay your mail out circular from Costco where they advertise things from Costco.

Lindsay (30:30):

Okay. no, you're wrong. And not close. Not

Moby (30:34):

Grape. Well actually

Lindsay (30:35):

Mail out might be close-ish. This ain Texas ain't no hold them. So lay your cards down, down, down, down. Like hold them.

Moby (30:47):

Not boring. Should be grapefruit.

Lindsay (30:48):

Hold <laugh>. Yeah. I mean, that would be a little bit non-sequitur. I

Moby (30:52):

Imagine you're playing these people guessing like people who are playing cards and it's like, okay, I see you are 17 and I raise you a grapefruit and you put your grapefruit down. It's like, and then you're like turning over. I don't know how to play cards. And you're turning over your cards and you're like six four, and then across the table from you is a surrealist and they're like, grapefruit.

Lindsay (31:14):

Yeah. No, I think that makes a lot of sense for that scenario. But also there's like a whirl, like a post-apocalyptic world where like a grapefruit could hold more value than like a chip or any sort of like other bartering tool,

Moby (31:27):

You know? Oh. I think basically everything in the natural world will hold more value than anything humans make in the post apocalyptic world. Like imagine tr imagine like the apocalypse has happened, everyone's starving and someone says, oh, look at this $40 million painting. And people are like, well, you can't eat it and you can't sleep under it, so who cares? Yeah.

Lindsay (31:46):

Let's burn it. <Laugh>,

Moby (31:49):

Let's throw it at the tribe. Who was trying to steal our sneakers? <Laugh>.

Lindsay (31:53):

Exactly. Okay. I thought that it might be fun to do another little segment that we haven't done in a while. That always makes me laugh a lot. Mm. Which is where I force you to give a compliment to someone who's objectively terrible.

Moby (32:16):

Okay. Okay. Someone comes to mind. Well, I

Lindsay (32:19):

Have to tell you the person, because if you pick, then that's cheating. Oh,

Moby (32:21):

Okay. Okay.

Lindsay (32:23):

Okay. You have to give a compliment. Mm.

Moby (32:27):

That's me. Just, I, I, I'm, I'm, I know it's gonna go wrong. I'm, I'm already scared. It's

Lindsay (32:32):

Political.

Moby (32:33):

I get Oh, things are so scary. Not, I mean, politically things are scary, but also, I don't know what you're gonna say. Like, what are you gonna Go ahead.

Lindsay (32:41):

You have to compliment Ronna McDaniel.

Moby (32:44):

Okay. Former

Lindsay (32:45):

Chair of the RNC.

Moby (32:48):

Okay. That's kind of an easy one. That might not even be that interesting. How

Lindsay (32:51):

Do you compliment her?

Moby (32:52):

I compliment her by, so as you know, or many people might know, she got hired to be a commentary on NBC comment, NC news commentator, commentary commentator. I say things and I don't know what I'm saying. So she got hired to be a common potato.

Lindsay (33:09):

You got a brick in your hat, <laugh>

Moby (33:12):

And on NBC news. And she was very quickly fired because everyone at NBC News was like, you've just hired this anti-free press election denier

Lindsay (33:24):

Who, who promoted the fake electors? Yeah. Who, yeah. I mean, basically

Moby (33:29):

She broke the law and tried to overturn democracy and then suddenly she's being hired as a common potato at NBC News. And so they all basically rebelled like all the anchors, like Chuck Todd and everyone were like, basically keep her and lose us.

Lindsay (33:42):

Yeah. Rachel Maddow did a whole Yeah. Beautiful piece about how absurd it was and mystifying that they would do something like that. And

Moby (33:51):

It wasn't just partisan bullying like they were saying, like, yeah, sure. Have a diversity of voices, have Republicans have Democrats have left have. Right. But you can't have people who actively tried to overthrow an election Yeah. And end democracy.

Lindsay (34:04):

And then when asked about it, she said, you know, I was just taking one for the team, playing for the team. And it's like, but how does that mit that doesn't make it Okay. You still did it. Yeah. Something that feels so criminal and so, so loathsome. So

Moby (34:19):

The compliment I have for her is that last Sunday when she was on NBC news, she did say that Joe Biden won the election. Mm. And so, and of course that doesn't make up for her being awful. That doesn't make up for her doing her best to overthrow the you know, end democracy and overthrow the election. But I feel like when you have a lot of these election deniers finally admitting what they've known all along that Trump lost the last election Mm-Hmm. <Affirmative>, it just moves the needle further and further away from Trump being able to claim that he won the last election. Yep.

Lindsay (34:59):

Or when, like, you find out that, that Tucker Carlson had been texting people, like, I know this guy's full of, essentially like that it's, it moves the needle in the direction of like, oh, all of these people are playing a role, they're playing character.

Moby (35:11):

Yeah. Only the true dimwits or the truly diluted believe that Trump won the last election. Yes. Like everybody else all along has known full well that their, their criteria was, oh, if I say that he won the election, I keep my job. Which is so disgustingly it's kinda like disgusting. Like, it's like saying, oh, if I work at the concentration camp, at least I have employment. Like, you know. Yeah.

Lindsay (35:33):

It's very much along those lines and yeah. I'm, I'm so happy that all those anchors spoke out. Yeah.

Moby (35:40):

But that's my compliment for her. Yeah. That's a good compliment is at least she did finally admit that. Yes, Joe Biden won the last election. And of course she's a, she's terrible and she lied for years and she did her best to end democracy, but at least she finally admitted that Biden won the last

Lindsay (35:59):

Election. Unfortunately, the damage has been done. Yeah. and she will never, ever take accountability for all of how, how corrosive her tenure as chair of the RNC was. But you know, at least she did that. Mm-Hmm.

Moby (36:13):

<Affirmative>. So something I wanted to bring up. What's

Lindsay (36:17):

That?

Moby (36:17):

Touring. Well,

Lindsay (36:18):

That's what I was gonna talk about next. Okay.

Moby (36:20):

Wow. Synchronicity. We're

Lindsay (36:21):

So on the same page. High five <laugh>. So what I, what I wanted to talk about, there's a lot of things I wanted to talk about about the tour, but we'll try to keep it brief. You we

Moby (36:33):

Talked about, and we're not talking about May 31st. May 31st is the live Moby Pod for a hundred select Moby Pod listeners. You,

Lindsay (36:41):

That's you. Yeah. we're talking about the big tour and the big European tour in September, the play 25th anniversary tour. You've toured for such a long time in your life. I mean, when was, when was your first big like world tour?

Moby (36:57):

Well, okay, the first tour I did involved going to Ohio in 1983 with my punk rock band, the Vatican Commando when we played in the pizza parlor. I don't think that counts.

Lindsay (37:08):

That's pretty cool. But no, so

Moby (37:10):

The first actual like, leave my home, go play a whole bunch of shows far away. The first time I did that was 1991. Whoa.

Lindsay (37:23):

Obviously

Moby (37:24):

Playing raves and playing underground nightclubs, but still it was two, you know, like that's

Lindsay (37:28):

A, that's a proper

Moby (37:29):

Tour. Amsterdam one day Prague the next day, Berlin the next day, London the next day, et cetera, et cetera.

Lindsay (37:36):

Wow. 1991. Yes. And then you've done many tours since then. So you've been touring for a long, long time and now you haven't toured for a long time. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> when was, it's been what, 10

Moby (37:48):

Years?

Lindsay (37:48):

Years, 10 years since your last tour. So my question to you is oh, twofold.

Moby (37:54):

Your questions are always fine, but they always scare me. What's wrong with me? That I'm a scared of question?

Lindsay (37:58):

I don't know because I feel like I'm, I'm on your side, I'm on your team. This

Moby (38:01):

Is see on your I team person work. I, I work under the assumption that I am just a vulnerable, delicate little man in a hostile world. But please go on.

Lindsay (38:11):

No, I'm on your side. Okay. Because you've been on tour for so long, do you have, and I'm sure you have a gazillion, but maybe for, for my benefit, our benefit today, you might have some very fun like tour stories Oh boy. A tour story. But also I would love to know like after we get some tour stories, if there's anything that worries you about that you're, that you're deeply concerned about. Obviously aside from the insomnia, but if there's other things that worry you about going

Moby (38:37):

On tour. Okay. Tour stories, I mean, 20 some odd years of touring, obviously there's a lot of them. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> there's a lot of repetition as well. Oh, you know, I was actually just thinking about this the other day. I do have one super oddball, interesting tour story. Okay, great. This is about, let's say maybe it was like 15, 16 years ago. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. And I was on tour and oftentimes when you're on tour, you take little breaks. Like if you're going from Europe to North America, you come back to North America for three days before going back on tour in North America. Or if you're going to like South America to Australia, you'd go, I'd go back to New York, wait for four days, then go to the airport and go to Australia. So I got the most random email and it was someone I'd never met before saying, Hey, do you wanna have breakfast with the Dalai Lama? And I was like of course I do. That's so inter like I what a, I was like, is this real? Is this legitimate? And I looked at my schedule and it was to, to have breakfast with the Dalai Lama in between two tours. Like I was going from Europe to Australia and was gonna be home in New York for three days.

Lindsay (39:53):

So it really timed out perfectly

Moby (39:54):

And it was gonna be in Philadelphia. So basically they said, sure, come down to the Four Seasons Hotel in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania and have breakfast with the Dalai Lama and ask him anything you want. And they're like, we're gonna film it. And I just was like, what in the world? Like, I don't know these people. Of course I'm gonna go to Philadelphia to talk to the Dalai Lama. And then they contextualized it a bit more and they said, we're asking a few other musicians and we think that Serj from System of A Down will also be there. And the music, the singers, KT Tunstall and Jaw Stone,

Lindsay (40:30):

I love them.

Moby (40:31):

And I was like, okay. And then they said, and there's a chance Snoop Dogg will swing by. Whoa. So this all starts to sound like a mescal trip or some like strange hallucination. It does. And I was like, okay, sure. I will take Amtrak down to Philadelphia, I'll book myself a room at the Four Seasons and wake up bright and early and have breakfast with Serj from System of A Down and Snoop Dogg and the Dalai Lama and Katy Tunsil and Jaw Stone.

Lindsay (40:59):

Just a typical Thursday. Yep.

Moby (41:02):

So I wake up 8:00 AM which is very early in those days, go downstairs and there's all these security people and I'm, I'm shepherded into a room with Joss Stone, KT Tunstall, and Serj from System of a Down, we, none of us have met each other. So we all become instant best friends and 'cause we're all in the same boat. Like, what are we doing here? Who, who has invited us here? What in the world is going on? And then all these Tibetan monks start coming in and then the, the mood changes very dramatically. And the Dalai Lama walks in and the Dalai Lama walks up to Serj and starts playing with his beard. 'cause Serj had a very interesting beard. And the Dalai Lama was just obsessed with Serj Tankian from a System of a Down starts playing with his beard. And then we all sit down.

Moby (41:50):

Turns out it wasn't really breakfast, it was just like an early morning conversation. There was breakfast, but no one ate it. 'cause It's like, you know, garbage hotel like muffins and crappy orange juice. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. So we all get to have conversations with the Dalai Lama and then Snoop Dogg shows up and he's not gonna be part of the conversation. He just shows up to say hi and takes pictures with all of us in the Dalai Lama. Keep in mind the Dalai Lama is very small, sir Snoop dog is very tall. So just seeing them together made me think, okay, this is not happening. I'm on some sort of new type of psychedelic and this is just a hallucination. So then I got to ask my, I got to talk to the Dalai Lama who I've never met, and I asked him a few questions like, how do you think Westerners misinterpret Buddhism?

Moby (42:37):

And, but my favorite question that made him laugh out loud, and I feel like I had to have earned some good karmic points by making the Dalai Lama laugh out loud. Like, he laughed hard. I said, if you weren't the Dalai Lama, what would you want your day job to be? So the Dalai Lama grabs my hand, I have a picture of us holding hands while he's answering the question. And he says, if I weren't the Dalai Lama, I would be a professional sleeper. Which is such an interesting play on words. 'cause One, he was saying, it's really early and I'm tired. Like I would just, like, I would just go to, I would just sleep. But also in the world of spirituality, like enlightenment is also called awakening. So it was almost saying like, like if I wasn't the Dalai Lama, I would be professionally unenlightened. And he thought this was hysterical. And he laughed and laughed and he has the most open, infectious, wonderful laugh. So yeah. So that's touring related in that it was like musicians. And technically I was on tour, I just took a little little day trip down to Philadelphia to meet the Dalai Lama and Serj and Snoop Dogg and team.

Lindsay (43:53):

And you made him laugh

Moby (43:54):

And I made him laugh hard. Wow. Yeah.

Lindsay (43:58):

Okay. That's a very cool tour ish story. Anything else?

Moby (44:04):

And I got a mil maybe between now and tour time, we can just talk about tour related stuff. 'cause There's a lot of

Lindsay (44:11):

Stories. Drop a little story every, every time we feel like it.

Moby (44:13):

But there's a lot of repetition too. Like a lot of just like being in hotel rooms watching CNN 'cause oftentimes that was the only English language programming you could get. Finding out where you could buy soy milk, et cetera.

Lindsay (44:26):

Well, you know, I'm sure there's other stories in there that we will get to at some point. Okay. But what about what you're worried about Are, is there, are there things about this tour that are concerning to you? Because I know that sleep is a concern. Yeah. And we talked about it a lot, but is there anything other than that, that you're worried about? Like, like what, what if you're what about all your costumes and getting all of your interesting costumes across the

Moby (44:47):

Well, my, my costume will probably be a pair of trousers and a T-shirt.

Lindsay (44:52):

Okay.

Moby (44:53):

Dark color, like dark gray or black. 'cause It's,

Lindsay (44:56):

And you won't change throughout the course of the show.

Moby (44:58):

I mean, come on. I'm 58 years old. Like no one, no one

Lindsay (45:02):

Cher's like way older. And she changes clothes like 400 times. But I don't

Moby (45:06):

Even have that many clothes. Like I, no. So I'm just gonna, it'll be, I'll be wearing normal-ish clothes. Okay. but to your

Lindsay (45:15):

Bronner's style. Yeah. Keep it simple. Bronner's style. <Laugh>

Moby (45:19):

<Laugh>. But to your question about like, you know, there's one thing that worries me a little bit. Tell I was doing an interview recently and someone asked me if I was worried that going on tour would make me like, be tempted to drink or do drugs. And the answer is no. Not in the slightest.

Lindsay (45:33):

I would never, that would never occur to me as something Yeah. You are so committed to Yeah.

Moby (45:36):

I've been sober for a long time and I have the interest to drink or do drugs. It's gone. Yeah. So who knows, it could come back. But I, I'm not too worried about that. You know, what I'm worried about is ego, because in the past, like when I toured, if I'm being honest, like ego was a big part of touring, you know?

Lindsay (45:57):

Well, I mean, it makes sense. You're going on stage every night and having thousands of people yell at you that you're great. And you are the kind of center of not only attention from the audience in front of you, but also from the entire band behind you and the entire crew behind them and the entire management behind that. Like the venue, like you are the center of everything.

Moby (46:20):

Yeah. So it's very, it's very easy to buy into that, especially as I think it's true for most public figures. Like, if you buy into that, if you have this need to feel special or if you have to, the need to feel more special than others. That's the really worrying part. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> is one. It's gross as we know. Like, I mean, just look at the world of social media, public figures, like when people feel that sense of entitlement or feel somehow that they are removed from, or more special than others. Like it's just, it's it's very distasteful. Yeah. But the bigger questions, where does it come from? You know, and in my case, all I know is it came, and this might seem like an overly simplistic answer, it came from insecurity and feelings of inadequacy. Like, I felt like, okay, if I'm on the receiving end of all this attention, if my name is on posters and if people are being extra nice to me, like finally that gives me like a feeling of adequacy.

Moby (47:20):

Like finally, like I've gotten to the place where everyone else already is of feeling confident and adequate. And, but then you start to rely on it. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, you know, so you start to, you, you almost feel the need, you know, the, the need to be on the receiving end of that much attention. Like without that you start to feel even more inadequate and less worthy. And it's a really pernicious, corrosive, unhealthy thing. But it's also the indulging ego is gross. Like ego is there, we all have it except for bagel <laugh>. And that, that's my concern is like, I don't, because I, I really like the simplicity of my life right now. Yeah. You know, I like, you know like tomorrow is Saturday and my plan is like, I haven't cleaned my bathrooms in a while, and so I'm gonna clean the toilets and I'm pretty good at cleaning toilets and cleaning bathrooms. Like, I like that I'm gonna clean the kitchen because I haven't, my, I cleaned my kitchen last week, but it's been seven days. So going grocery shopping, cleaning toilets, going hiking, hanging out with bagel doing normal stuff that doesn't, isn't ego driven. Yeah. I really like that. And I wor it's not granted it's tour, it's brief, but I, I do worry a little bit about, once again, being on the receiving end of attention, that might whisper terrible thoughts to my ego.

Lindsay (48:55):

But do you feel like having this awareness going into a tour like this gives you a bit of a leg up on how that could potentially like creep into your consciousness?

Moby (49:08):

I hope so. And also this little tour, it's the exception, not the rule. Mm-Hmm. <Affirmative>, you know, it's like I'm leaving the normal life that I inhabit 300, nor like my life is inhabited 365 days a year and it's normal and it's simple. And if I take a break from it for 10 days, this is the paradigm. This is the, you know, this is the dominant paradigm or, you know, archetype for me is yeah. Being normal and cleaning my toilets. Yeah. And if I take a break from it, I'm not gonna like, take a break and suddenly be like going to strip clubs and wanting people to idolize me. I'm gonna take a break and I'm gonna play music that hopefully people will like remind myself that my goal is to be of service and raise money for animal rights organizations. And then when it's done, come home and clean toilets.

Lindsay (49:59):

Yeah. I mean it's a, it's a concept that I think most people will never, ever have to spend a lot of time thinking about because most people will never be on the receiving end of that amount of physical human energy enjoying their product. You know,

Moby (50:20):

The only thing I will say, I agree with you, but I will say, I think that the number of people being on the receiving end of, we'll call it like third party attention, ego fueling attention. It's definitely more now than it used to be because of social media. You know, like, like someone in Indiana can post something about a good skateboard trick and all of a sudden they have like thousands of people

Lindsay (50:45):

Watching them do skateboard tricks.

Moby (50:46):

Yeah. Yeah. And so it's like a lot, I think a lot more people have had that experience of being on the receiving end of ego fueling attention. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. And you understand how seductive it is, but also ultimately doesn't last. And anyone who takes it too seriously, it's kind of grotesque.

Lindsay (51:07):

Yeah. I think a lot of people are battling insecurity in one way or another. And I think a lot of people assume that validation from others is the magic bullet that will kill the insecurity. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> when really it just feeds maybe more negative part of how we view ourselves and, and our position in the world. Yep.

Moby (51:31):

Yeah, I completely agree. And I'm looking forward to going on tour and I'm looking forward to playing music. The people I'm going on tour with, like Julie and Jonathan, they're really looking forward to it. So I'm happy that they get to go on tour and have a fun experience. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. But then I'm also looking forward to it ending and coming home and hiking and cleaning toilets. I know I keep saying cleaning toilets. I'm really good at cleaning toilets.

Lindsay (51:55):

I know also something that you, I I haven't seen the proof of it. But you've, you've bragged about it in a way that I think is really fun, which is baseboards that you are Yeah. That it's like kind of your, your, your part of your journey is learning how to be a better baseboard cleaner. And I really like that about you.

Moby (52:13):

The tops of baseboards especially. Yeah. The, because they collect a lot of dust. They collect so much dust. And so what I've tried to look, 'cause baseboards are not fun. I mean, you look at a room, there's a lot of baseboards. So now what I've been doing is like twice a year I have baseboard time. It's my thing to do, like go through the house, clean every baseboard or if I'm on a really tedious zoom call with someone, turn off the camera and clean baseboards in the room I'm in.

Lindsay (52:39):

It makes a lot of sense.

Moby (52:40):

So we've been rambling on. Can I repeat myself about the May 31st concert?

Lindsay (52:45):

Yeah, I think that's a great idea.

Moby (52:47):

Okay. So once again, as I said, about 500 times in the beginning of the show, May 31st in the Masonic Temple at the Hollywood Forever Cemetery. Me and Lindsay and Bagel will be doing a live Moby Pod concert with string section and piano and acoustic music and singers talking about the history of play and also playing the songs from play. And they're only going to be 100 tickets on Monday. We're gonna make them available for everyone, and I assume they'll go pretty quickly. But before then, we're only available for Moby Pod listeners when you go to moby.com and you click on the button that says Moby Pod listeners It's not even gonna say Moby Pod ticket thing, it's just gonna say Moby Pod listeners.

Lindsay (53:39):

It's only for the if you know, you know, crowd. Yeah.

Moby (53:42):

And hopefully we will see you then on May 31st, but we'll talk to you many times between now and May 31st. Oh yeah. Lynn, would you like to say goodbye?

Lindsay (53:52):

I would, but before we do that, I wanna say thank you to Bagel for Sleeping on Me this entire time. Mm-Hmm. <Affirmative> in a most adorable fashion. I want to thank Mike Formanski for editing the video. I wanna thank Jonathan Nesvadba, who is such a fantastic editor of this podcast. And his voice is heard in it, even though his like voice isn't heard in it. You know what I'm saying? Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. So, thanks, Jonathan. And I wanna say thank you to human content for sending this podcast out into the little particles that land in your phone bits.

Moby (54:30):

And thank you to everyone listening, and I hope you can get tickets for May 31st. And if we don't see you, then if you're in Europe, then we'll see you in September. And we'll of course talk to you in two weeks. Woo-Hoo. Thank you everybody. Bye.