Moby (00:15):

Hi, Lindsay.

Lindsay (00:16):

Hi, Moby.

Moby (00:17):

Am I interrupting you because it looks like

Lindsay (00:19):

Busy? No, I'm just doing some last minute preparation.

Moby (00:23):

Okay. So can I talk about what we want to talk about?

Lindsay (00:27):

Yeah. Let's get it popping.

Moby (00:28):

Well, first off, we are going to be taking a little bit of a break, a Moby Pod break. So for about three or four weeks there won't be any new episodes. And at some point very soon we're gonna talk about why we're taking a little break and all the exciting stuff that will come after the break.

Lindsay (00:46):

Yeah. And I know you might be, um, raising your fist to the skies and asking God why we would take a break, <laugh>. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. But I think when you find out why, you'll be like, okay, I

Moby (01:00):

Like it. And also what's gonna happen after the break, hopefully will be really fun. Well,

Lindsay (01:05):

That's what I'm hoping.

Moby (01:06):

So that's one thing we're gonna talk about. We're also gonna play our favorite game of complete the lyric. Like, ooh, you say a lyric line from a song that I don't know. And I imagine what the next line would be. And then in turn I say a line from a song and you guess what the next lyric would be.

Lindsay (01:27):

Boy, do I love this game.

Moby (01:29):

Uh, and then we're also, so we're gonna enter the world of politics a little bit,

Lindsay (01:34):

But gently, gently.

Moby (01:36):

And,

Lindsay (01:36):

And we don't even have to say which side we're on <laugh>. <laugh>. Even though <laugh>. Yeah. I think if it's not obvious. Um,

Moby (01:41):

And we're gonna talk about this remarkable phenomena of some of the people who've said the most scathing things about the Republican candidate for President publican. And we're

Lindsay (01:52):

Gonna guess who said them?

Moby (01:53):

Yeah, we're gonna guess who said them. Yeah. So like, some of the most scathing things that have been said about the former reality TV star, who is the Republican nominee for

Lindsay (02:03):

President and convicted felon

Moby (02:03):

And convicted felon, some of the most scathing stuff has been said by people who now kiss his butt and love. And like if the Republicans including perhaps his own vice presidential nominee uhoh. So that's a fun thing. Awkward. Um, and I'm gonna get my computer out because I've got a long list of other fun things that we can

Lindsay (02:21):

Talk about. There's also, can I say a few of them?

Moby (02:22):

Sure. Please. Why not? Now,

Lindsay (02:24):

One of the things that you've discussed that you wanna do is poem finding. Do you wanna do that?

Moby (02:29):

We could. I I, what

Lindsay (02:31):

Is it? What is a poem finding? What'd you say? It

Moby (02:32):

Sounds either really sweet and gentle or kind of stupid. Depends who you ask. It

Lindsay (02:37):

Was. Sometimes it can be the, we

Moby (02:39):

Each, we find a poem that we like and we read it.

Lindsay (02:42):

That is so effing cute. Really? Yes. I wanna do that. Okay.

Moby (02:46):

Then we're, then we'll, are you kidding

Lindsay (02:47):

Me? We're gonna find, we're gonna each find a poem and then we're gonna read it to each other. I feel like

Moby (02:51):

I'm in kindergarten,

Lindsay (02:52):

But I can't put you in the eyes when I read a poem though. So I'm gonna just look at bagel. Okay. <laugh>. Okay.

Moby (02:57):

Um, it really feels like kindergarten. And then we're gonna take out our safety scissors and our juice boxes and do arts and crafts. And then our, we take out our mats and we have a little nap.

Lindsay (03:07):

All of that sounds amazing to me. Actually. I wish I had appreciated it more than,

Moby (03:11):

Can I tell you a kindergarten story?

Lindsay (03:13):

Yes. Is it dark?

Moby (03:14):

Not in the slightest. Okay.

Lindsay (03:15):

What is

Moby (03:16):

It? So, a while ago I was asked to be a guest actor on the show Blunt Talk with Patrick Stewart.

Lindsay (03:24):

Oh. A wonderful show.

Moby (03:25):

And I had a scene where I played a kindergarten music teacher

Lindsay (03:30):

In your panties?

Moby (03:31):

No, I was in my panties and other scenes, <laugh>. But in this scene I was wearing actual clothes and we shot in an actual kindergarten. First of all, it was very interesting as a non-actor acting with Patrick Stewart, who's one of the greatest actors of,

Lindsay (03:45):

Of all

Moby (03:45):

Time. Of all time. But before we shot, I was walking around the kindergarten and I realized basically the best life advice anyone gets is in kindergarten because they're all, they had all these posters and all these things that said, like, use your words, not your fists. Words. Can't hurt me. Remember to take a nap, drink your juice, and be nice to your friends. Like it was all reach for

Lindsay (04:10):

The moon. Either way you'll end up among the stars.

Moby (04:13):

Yeah. That's a tricky one. 'cause that does imply that there are stars between here and the moon, which there aren't. Mm.

Lindsay (04:19):

Wow. My childhood was based on lies

Moby (04:22):

<laugh>. So any case I learned valuable lessons walking around this kindergarten. And what else do we wanna do today? Oh, one of the bigger things I want to get to Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> is the tour that I'm doing in September. I'm giving the money to charity. So, cool. And we're going to announce here and now, right here on the Moby Pod. What charities are going to be receiving the money from the tour? Ooh,

Lindsay (04:48):

I cannot wait to talk about these charities. I think they're all so fantastic and it's amazing that they, we can, they can be part of our conversation today, but like also leading up to the tour and during it and afterwards. I think it's very cool.

Moby (05:03):

And if, if that's not enough, we also might talk about best ways of dealing with stress.

Lindsay (05:09):

You know, I'm gonna push for that one. Okay. 'cause I feel like I really need it for multiple reasons. A because of some of the things that we're gonna be talking about that you and I are both doing, but also just because of the state of the world. Everyone I talk to that lives internationally, Canada, uk, France, wherever. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. They're all like, are you okay? <laugh> Like, the world is worried about us as they should be, and the world is worried about themselves. And even my Canadian friend that I spoke to today who's in Canada, was like, I was like, can I have some citizenship please? And she was like, no, we're too close to the us. You have to get far away. Yeah.

Moby (05:44):

I, I, a friend of mine who lives in Whistler, which is north of Vancouver, I asked him if he and his wife would adopt me. <laugh>. He's like, it might be a little weird 'cause we're younger than you, but I was like, it doesn't matter. Whatever works or foster me or anything, I'll sleep in the basement. Yeah. Just throw me some oats and quinoa every now and then. Ugh.

Lindsay (06:02):

Yeah.

Moby (06:02):

Like the little horse that I am. Aw.

Lindsay (06:04):

But anyway, so yes, I do wanna talk about stress reduction because it's really hard and we all have our busy lives and it's really challenging to do the work, to take care of our delicate little noggins. So talking about that would be smart, I think.

Moby (06:17):

Okay. So a quick recap. Political quotes about the Republican nominee from his supposed allies

Lindsay (06:22):

Gonna do it.

Moby (06:23):

Why we are gonna take a break and what we're working on. Can't wait. Dealing with stress. Uh, we're each gonna find a poem that we like and, and read it. Oh. Um, announcing the charities who are gonna receive the money from the tour. Complete the lyric. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> and possibly some other things.

Lindsay (06:39):

And then little dance party. An audio dance party. <laugh>,

Moby (06:44):

Are we gonna have a dance party?

Lindsay (06:45):

Yeah. Chicken wing. Chicken wing. So people can see the dance I'm doing in their mind's eye. Okay.

Moby (06:50):

As vegans and animal rights activists, are we allowed to do the chicken wing

Lindsay (06:54):

Dance? Yeah, because, because it's happy chickens

Moby (06:55):

To do it. Oh. Because they're happy chickens. Okay. That's right. Okay. So it's nothing, it's not, we're not in any way harming chickens by doing

Lindsay (07:01):

No, I would say we're supporting chickens. Okay, great. By doing the chicken dance. So

Moby (07:04):

Of all the stuff we want to do, can we start with complete the lyric? Oh,

Lindsay (07:07):

Sure. Yeah, absolutely. Because

Moby (07:09):

I prepared a couple good ones.

Lindsay (07:11):

Oh, okay. I only have one, but bring it. You start.

Moby (07:14):

Okay. So here's,

Lindsay (07:16):

You seem really excited. That makes me so

Moby (07:18):

Scared. I really like this one because, because it's gonna surprise you. They're both very surprising.

Lindsay (07:22):

Okay.

Moby (07:23):

Okay. It's a song called No More Heroes,

Lindsay (07:26):

Unfamiliar,

Moby (07:28):

Kind of a new wave hit from the early eighties from band.

Lindsay (07:32):

Who's the band?

Moby (07:32):

The band was the Stranglers, one of my favorite bands. One of the most complicated bands in music history.

Lindsay (07:37):

Complicated emotionally or complicated Musically.

Moby (07:40):

Musically. I mean, they started off as sort of a punk rock band, but then they wrote some of the most delicate ballads you've ever heard. You know, like, really fascinating. Very intellectual as well. And so here's the first two lines, and then I'll ask you what you think the next two lines might be.

Lindsay (07:59):

Okay.

Moby (07:59):

Okay. Whatever happened to Leon Trotsky?

Lindsay (08:04):

And then I have to say the next two lines. Yeah.

Moby (08:06):

What you think the next two lines might be.

Lindsay (08:08):

Oh. Um, he was a good guy, but also, that's the name of my horse,

Moby (08:14):

<laugh> <laugh>. First off, did you actually have a horse named Leon Trotsky? No,

Lindsay (08:20):

But it sounds like a really good name for a horse trotting like

Moby (08:23):

Trotskys. Okay. So, okay. So you wanna hear the actual next lines? Yes. Okay. So whatever happened to Leon Trotsky, he got an ice pick that made his ears burn because Leon Trotsky was one of the architects of the Soviet Revolution with Lenin Uhhuh. And he and Lenin really were like, they, they led the Soviet Revolution. He was Lenin's right hand man. And then when Stalin became the head of the Soviet Union, Trotsky spoke out against Stalin and he was banished, and he moved to Mexico. And Stalin sent assassins multiple times to try and kill him. And eventually they succeeded by pushing an ice pick through his ears.

Lindsay (09:08):

Oh, Trotsky.

Moby (09:11):

Trotsky. Um, but the reason I bring this up is because one, we've talked about the state of popular music. Can you imagine any pop, because this was like a top 10 song about Leon Trotsky getting an ice pick pushed in his ear. And I was just trying to imagine pop music today referencing Leon Trotsky and him being an exile and being killed by an assassin from Joseph Stalin.

Lindsay (09:36):

Yeah. No, I think that, um, that I, I can't, I can't see it happening, but maybe there's some amazing pop star that I just don't know about that's talking about Leon Troskey. Yeah. Like Soviet assassinations. But

Moby (09:48):

The other thing that was so interesting about pop music back then, it was sort of educational. Like when I was 14 years old and I heard this song, I was like, I don't know who Leon Trotsky is, but they're the stranglers, they're cool UK musicians. So I went to the library and I researched Leon Trotsky and learned all about it. Otherwise I was like, I don't know what they're talking about, but they're cool. So I wanna know what they're talking about.

Lindsay (10:12):

And now you know so much about

Moby (10:15):

Yeah.

Lindsay (10:15):

World history.

Moby (10:17):

Um, so that's my, and

Lindsay (10:18):

Even the, the dirty scary parts, like the ice picks through the years.

Moby (10:21):

Um, so that's my lyric. Give me one.

Lindsay (10:23):

Okay. Okay. So there's a song that I really like that's incredibly popular right now. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, um, by a musician named Chappell Roan, who everyone is losing their mind over. She's incredibly popular. Um, but she has a song that is often misinterpreted and I really enjoy the song, even though it is about, well, also, I'll, I'll read you the lyrics and then you tell me how you think it might end, and then I'll tell you why I like this song. Okay, great. Okay. So here's a lyric that I would like for you to, to, um, finish. You can kiss a hundred boys in bars, shoot another shot. End of that sentence.

Moby (11:08):

You can kiss a hundred boys in bars, shoot another shot. Um, but it won't affect the albedo effect, which is one of the feedback loops. Making climate change worse.

Lindsay (11:30):

No, uh, no. It's, uh, try to stop the feeling this is all about. The singer is in love with someone who won't admit that she's gay, so she's trying to go out and meet boys and all of this stuff to prove that she's not gay, but she's in love with our singer. Isn't that interesting? Oh,

Moby (11:55):

That's sort of interesting. Yeah. Yeah.

Lindsay (11:57):

Okay. Um, and it's very complex and the music is great and a lot of people use it thinking like, oh, it's cute. It's about kissing, but really it's about, um, a closet case.

Moby (12:07):

Okay. That's nice. That's nice. Can I do my second lyric? That is just the result of Spotify shuffle. Oh,

Lindsay (12:14):

<laugh>. Yeah.

Moby (12:15):

So this song came up on my Spotify and it's one of my favorite songs, and it has a lyric that somehow seems especially relevant today. Okay. All over. People are changing their votes along with their overcoats. What are the next two lines?

Lindsay (12:32):

All over people are changing their votes along with their overcoats and also their socks because they stepped in a puddle

Moby (12:41):

<laugh>. That is a really good Yeah. You've, yours is equally good, but here's the actual line. Okay. All over. People are changing their votes along with their o overcoats. If Adolf Hitler flew in today, they'd send a limousine anyway.

Lindsay (12:57):

Yeah. I would not have, um, just come out with Hitler like

Moby (13:00):

That. The point being, it's from The Clash, (White Man) In Hammersmith Palais. Uhhuh <affirmative>. The idea is people, the only principle guiding culture is fame and power and wealth. Sort of like the way that people have covered politics, you know, pretending that Hillary and Trump were somehow ethically equal. Right. Pretending that Trump is not a malignant sociopath because they're like, oh, well people pay attention to the articles that we write about him. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. And so like, trying to normalize horror

Lindsay (13:36):

Yeah. Horror as a business model. Yeah.

Moby (13:39):

Because horror drives clicks and horror is click fake.

Lindsay (13:43):

Yeah. If you scare people, they wanna know what, like, what they should be on the lookout for. It's like, if you say that there's a serial killer in your neighborhood, you probably wanna stay on top of that one.

Moby (13:53):

Yeah. So it's just realizing that, especially now, like I feel at one point the media might've had higher standards, might've not been inclined to create these false equivalencies between say, Trump and Hillary, or Trump and Biden. But this, that line, if Adolf Hitler flew in today, they'd send a limousine. Anyway. Really struck me because it just seems like there's this weird self-interested principle. Like people are not, I mean, obviously there's some really good people in the world of media and politics who are trying to be responsible, who are trying to do the right thing. But then you have like the New York Times writing these glowing pieces about the Republican national convention.

Lindsay (14:36):

I mean, it's all over every single network, regardless of who they are, they're all covering it as if it's real news when really it's just a bunch of Handmaid's Tale horror show. Sadists Yeah. Who are trying to make our country into some sort of evangelical hellscape.

Moby (14:57):

So that's why I picked that lyric. While we're talking about politics, should we move on to Trump quotes as said by his allies? Yeah,

Lindsay (15:04):

Let's do it.

Moby (15:05):

Okay. Do you have fun ones? Do you wanna start? I've got some little

Lindsay (15:07):

Cuties.

Moby (15:08):

Okay. Here.

Lindsay (15:09):

Um, yeah, they're cute. Um, so this person said that Trump is a consummate narcissist who constantly engages in reckless conduct that puts his political followers at risk and the conservative and republican agenda at risk. Do you wanna know who said that?

Moby (15:26):

I'm okay. I I have a similar quote, but I'm wondering. Okay. Who said that? Bill Barr. Oh, okay. His former Attorney General. Yeah. Okay. That's a good one. So here, I'm just gonna start with my biggies. Yeah, go for it. So, so who said these following things? My God. Trump is such obnoxious idiot. He could be America's Hitler and Mr. Trump is categorically unfit to be America's president.

Lindsay (15:55):

Well, I know this one.

Moby (15:57):

Okay.

Lindsay (15:58):

"Jance Dance Vance" <laugh>,

Moby (16:00):

JD Vance said, just to repeat, "My God, Trump is such obnoxious idiot. He could be America's Hitler. And Mr. Trump is unfit to be America's leader and president." That's JD Vance, who is Trump's vice presidential nominee.

Lindsay (16:16):

Can I do, can I do one to to This was fun. Follow that. It's so fun. I love it so much. Here's one. This, this person, uh, well, this person wrote on Twitter, "Trump makes people I care about afraid. Immigrants, Muslims, et cetera. Because of this. I find him reprehensible. God wants better of us."

Moby (16:37):

Okay. Who said that?

Lindsay (16:39):

"Jance Dance Vance"

Moby (16:40):

JD Vance said that as well on

Lindsay (16:42):

Twitter.

Moby (16:43):

Wow. And he's Trump's vice presidential nominee.

Lindsay (16:47):

I know.

Moby (16:48):

But, but, but yeah. How do you, how do you, how does anyone wrap their head around that? I was also reading about JD Vance. He's now incredibly anti-trans. His best friend at Yale is a trans woman. And when the, the, the, his best friend who is now a trans woman went through surgery, he was by her side supporting her, bringing her meals in bed. And now he's aggressively anti, like, who is this guy? And does he have any principles

Lindsay (17:17):

Giving some sort of like, Stepford robot, brain lobotomy situation? Do you want some more though?

Moby (17:24):

Well, you just did one. Can I, can I do one? Oh yeah. I

Lindsay (17:26):

Forgot. I forgot. Go, go,

Moby (17:27):

Go. Okay. So, um, someone who has been by Trump's side pretty much during his presidency and afterwards stalwart Trump supporter, said these things. "Trump is such a racist bigot. I believe that the Republican party and America are being completely conned."

Lindsay (17:51):

Stephen Miller.

Moby (17:52):

Lindsey Graham.

Lindsay (17:53):

<laugh>.

Moby (17:54):

Yeah.

Lindsay (17:55):

Lady G?

Moby (17:55):

Lady G Lindsey Graham. Senator Lindsey Graham said he's a racist bigot and the Republican party in America are being conned.

Lindsay (18:03):

Mama Mia? Yeah.

Moby (18:05):

Okay. Gimme one. Okay.

Lindsay (18:07):

Uh, "Donald Trump is a delusional narcissist and an orange faced windbag. A speck of dirt is way more qualified to be president."

Moby (18:15):

Whoa. That's a good one. Who's that? I know

Lindsay (18:19):

Rand Paul

Moby (18:20):

<laugh>. Okay. Wow. Yours are better than mine, but, okay. They're all good. It's not a competition. <laugh>. Okay. Here's a simple one from a Republican who was potentially going to be Trump's vice presidential nominee. "Trump is absolutely the most vulgar person to ever aspire to the presidency." Marco Rubio.

Lindsay (18:42):

Yep. That does check out. That does fully check out.

Moby (18:45):

Okay. We'll do a couple more. 'cause I could do these all day, but I feel like some of our audience listeners might not enjoy these as much as we are. So let's do two more. Okay. Maybe you, do you wanna end with it? 'cause yours are better than mine?

Lindsay (18:56):

No, no. I just, I have a, I have one that I'm actually really excited about.

Moby (18:59):

Great.

Lindsay (19:00):

So it's a little long, but I think it's good. This person said, "Many of the same politicians who now publicly embrace Trump, privately dread him. They know what a disaster he's been and will continue to be for our party. They're just too afraid to say it out loud. Well, I'm not afraid to say the hard truths out loud. I feel no need to kiss the ring."

Moby (19:19):

Who's that?

Lindsay (19:20):

Uh, Nikki Haley, who recently just kissed the ring at the RNC.

Moby (19:23):

Wow. "I feel no need to kiss the ring." And she just kissed like, like, how, what, what happened? She

Lindsay (19:35):

Also called him unstable and unhinged on multiple occasions. What has

Moby (19:38):

Happened to these people? I mean, I don't think republicans generally have principles, but how do you say, my god, he's such a noxious idiot. He could be America's Hitler. Mr. Trump is unfit to be president and then be his vice presidential nominee and stand with him on stage. Like, I don't know how to make sense of any of that. Okay. So maybe, but

Lindsay (19:57):

Also, I just wanna say something really fun. What, one time somebody called him a "Barking Carnival act".

Moby (20:02):

Who said that?

Lindsay (20:03):

Rick Perry <laugh> <laugh>.

Moby (20:06):

Good old Texan Dancing with the stars. Rick Perry. Yep. Um, why don't we talk about why we're gonna go on a break.

Lindsay (20:13):

Let's talk about the break.

New Speaker (20:14):

Okay. Do you want me to talk about the break?

Lindsay (20:16):

Yeah, I do. Okay.

Moby (20:18):

So as mentioned when and when we had our conversation with Mark Weber, we're making a scripted movie about the animal rights community with actors

Lindsay (20:28):

With actors

Moby (20:29):

We have With real people.

Lindsay (20:30):

Yeah. With real people. We have a whole team of people at an office right now toiling and gathering and prepping and rehearsing. And it's been such a wild ride.

Moby (20:42):

And we are just now beginning filming. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. So for the next about month or so, three weeks or so, we are going all over the place.

Lindsay (20:51):

All over la

Moby (20:52):

Well, Southern California. Yeah. I'm, I'm regional and provincial. So all over the place, meaning Southern California. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> and big, long, complicated days of filming with hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of people involved. And so that's why for the next three to four weeks we can't be making the podcast 'cause we're gonna be in dusty fields or in basements or in weird lofts or farms all over the place making this movie. The movie again is called Tecie. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. And we will have updates on it once we come back from our break. Is there any, what else do you wanna say? Oh,

Lindsay (21:27):

I just wanna say our dear friend Mark Webber, who was on the podcast a few episodes ago, who's directing and producing this with us, has been so fantastic. We have some amazing actors. We have Mena Massoud who played Aladdin and the live action Aladdin, who is also an incredibly outspoken vegan activist. He's going to play our lead, he's gonna play Tecie. And then we have Sarah Jeffery, an incredible actress and activist who's going to be playing our female lead in the movie. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. So it's, the cast is stellar and the team is unbelievable. And I can't wait to share what we make with you. And then we'll definitely update you after we finish shooting and while we're in post, just to let you know how that's all going.

Moby (22:11):

So that's why for the next three weeks we'll be on a hiatus. 'cause we'll be in the desert and elsewhere trying to make this movie as good as it can be. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, maybe that's a good segue to announce the charities who are gonna get the money. Am I just jumping all over the place? Why, why am I so filled with

Lindsay (22:28):

Questions? No, it feels, because it also leads into why we're taking a bit of a break. Because while we're doing this movie, Moby is also prepping to go on tour in September. So it's gonna be kind of one right to the other.

Moby (22:40):

Um, and you asked me a question beforehand. Yeah. Um, can I repeat your

Lindsay (22:46):

Question? I can also ask you the question.

Moby (22:47):

Sure. Do you wanna ask me the question?

Lindsay (22:48):

Well, I was asking about touring. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. And what do you do to prep on tour? Is it just picking out outfits or, uh,

Moby (22:57):

<laugh>?

Lindsay (22:58):

What are you doing trying to find your nicest shiniest shoes or how does that

Moby (23:01):

And working on choreography and costume changes and special guests <laugh>. Yeah. Uh, so tour I've toured so many times, and for better or worse, my tour prep doesn't involve costumes. Should it, I mean, it would be ridiculous as a, like a middle-aged guy on stage. If I had costume changes, like what I'm gonna put on like a different pair of jeans. Well, I

Lindsay (23:24):

Change a different, I've been going to suggest that like

Moby (23:27):

I wear like Donald Duck costume on stage.

Lindsay (23:30):

Well, no, 'cause that would cover your face. We need to see it. And it would also impede your ability to play your instruments. But I think we need more like, sparkly stuff on you. Like we could take what you're wearing right now and just bedazzle it.

Moby (23:43):

Hmm.

Lindsay (23:44):

Rhinestones I'll rhinestones

Moby (23:46):

Vegan in the interest of respecting you as my closest friend and coworker, I'm gonna pretend to consider what you've said.

Lindsay (23:54):

Okay. Just, I'll just bedazzle just start bedazzling stuff. Just send me a thing and I'll bedazzle it.

Moby (23:59):

Okay. I will absolutely. A hundred percent pretend to think about that.

Lindsay (24:04):

Okay. Well, I'm gonna force it upon you in many, many moments when you least expect it.

Moby (24:07):

So, but wait,

Lindsay (24:08):

There, there is a real question here though of like what it takes. Do you have to do rehearsals? Do you have to?

Moby (24:14):

Who do you? So, because I haven't toured in 10 years, uh, a big part of tour prep first part is figuring out, okay, what music should I play? And my approach to playing music to touring is to try and put on stage what I would wanna see if I was in the audience. So the tour coming up, it's the Greatest Hits Tour. It's loud, tons of production lights, visuals, like it's a big celebratory crazy over the top greatest tour.

Lindsay (24:43):

So you're saying you wouldn't wanna see a show with Contortionists?

Moby (24:46):

I, I would, I probably would not bring Contortionists. Okay. I would like to go to someone else's show that involved Contortionists, but my show no will not involve Contortionists.

Lindsay (24:55):

Okay. Yeah, no, that's, I mean, that's your call. So

Moby (24:56):

That's the first part is what music to play. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. And it's basically play the songs that people want to hear. And then

Lindsay (25:02):

One time we were at a concert and you go, Ugh, be merciful. Play the Hits

Moby (25:07):

<laugh>, I like hits <laugh>. I went to see Paul McCartney and like, when he played Beatles songs and wing songs, it was amazing. But then he'd play like an obscure new song and I'm like, Hmm, okay. He still Paul McCartney, it's good, but it's, it's not Let it be, it's not Live and Let Die. It's not band on the run like you have hits. Play the Hits. So that's the first part. The second part, who do I go on tour with?

Lindsay (25:30):

That's like an opening act.

Moby (25:31):

No. Like actual musicians on stage. Oh yeah. And so that was what I've been working on, is figuring out who can come on tour. Because a lot of my songs involve singing, especially female singing. And I am not a female singing person.

Lindsay (25:46):

This is true.

Moby (25:47):

So, uh, we have Choklate and our friend Nadia,

Lindsay (25:51):

Nadia Duggin

Moby (25:52):

Julie Mintz coming on tour to play keyboards, but also to sing, to do background vocals, to do lead vocals. And that's exciting.

Lindsay (26:00):

Those three people are very fun and fantastic people. Yeah.

Moby (26:04):

And then drums, you need drums. So we've hired our friend Tripp, Tripp Beam to play drums.

New Speaker (26:09):

And Tripp has toured with you multiple times. Yeah. As has Julie.

Moby (26:12):

Yep. And then on bass, Jonathan Nesvadba, who's currently editing this podcast is also.

Lindsay (26:17):

Thanks Jonathan, for doing literally everything. <laugh>.

Moby (26:19):

Yeah. Gonna be playing bass. So that's the next part. And I'll try and speed through this, is hiring the musicians. And then it's figuring out, 'cause I haven't played these songs in a long time. It might sound super basic. I have to remember how to play them. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, some of them are pretty simple, but some of them are actually kind of complicated. And I don't remember the chords.

Lindsay (26:38):

Oh gosh. Do you have little notes up there on the stage with you to remind you about chords?

Moby (26:42):

By the time we're performing, I've rehearsed enough, so I don't, I don't need notes. Like I don't need a music stand. Do you

Lindsay (26:49):

Ever get worried like actors do that they're gonna forget like, you know, the actor's nightmare where you go on stage and you're naked and you dunno your lines.

Moby (26:56):

I mean, some of the songs, I forget the lyrics, like the song Extreme Ways, I always screw up the lyrics. Hmm. Because there are a lot of words there and I don't remember them so good. So

Lindsay (27:04):

Yeah, remembrance is hard.

Moby (27:05):

<laugh>. And then because some of the music is very electronic, I then have to sort of figure out the electronic aspect of the song, which is like, are there going to be samples? Are there gonna be drum machine parts? And I have to program all that. And then once that's been done, I send my rough backing tracks to all the musicians and everyone they live with it. Then we start rehearsing and then we all go to Europe and do more rehearsing. And then we start playing the concerts. Okay.

Lindsay (27:38):

Here's a question about international touring. Do you feel the need to learn the language of all the places you're going? Like, hello, I'm, this is a German. Hello <laugh>?

Moby (27:48):

Well, there's one thing I can say in a lot of different languages. What's that? In German, "Ich bin Veganer".

New Speaker (27:54):

I'm a Vegan.

Moby (27:55):

I haven't said it in a while, but in French I think it's um, mm-Hmm. "Je suis végétalien"

Lindsay (28:01):

<affirmative>,

Moby (28:01):

Um, Spanish "Yo soy vegano". Scottish. Ach, I'm a vehgan <laugh>. So that

Lindsay (28:10):

Was so good. No,

Moby (28:12):

I don't want to do that again. And then I can, I could say, I mean also certain countries like the Netherlands or Belgium, they're more fluent in English than I am oftentimes. But I do feel guilty on stage speaking in English in a place where people for the most part don't understand English. But then I'm just, I'm an ignorant American. I don't know how to speak.

Lindsay (28:34):

Do you address it when you're on stage? Do you say,

Moby (28:36):

I throw myself under the bus

Lindsay (28:37):

Constantly. Hi, I'm sorry I speak English, but this is the language I know. And I'm sorry. This is what happens in America because our public education system failed.

Moby (28:44):

Yeah. And sometimes I'll say it in Spanish, like "Escuse me, porque, soy un gringo ignorante, de Los Estado Unidos, y no puedo hablar mucho epsanol, y tambien, El Presidente es un Trump malevolent narcissist, et cetera."

Lindsay (29:00):

<laugh>. Yeah. But it's not just him. He's a product of a culture. You know what I mean? Yeah. So, um,

Moby (29:05):

So that's tour prep and then lighting and then fig. I mean, I'm not saying any of this is interesting or complicated, but it's like finding the great lighting person in this case, Dan Hardiman, whose name is surprisingly close to the villain in the first season of Suits. Dan Hardman.

Lindsay (29:22):

I know when I first read that I was like, yeah, get him outta here.

Moby (29:26):

So Dan Hardiman and then my friend JP is gonna be doing sound. And our friend Alan is the tour manager and Dermot and Dick and all these people I used to tour with, they're all coming on tour with me again. So there's a sort of reunion nostalgia aspect to it.

Lindsay (29:42):

That's so fun. Can I ask one very important question? How do you pick your bus and what is the bus situation there? And like, is everyone staying on the bus or like, how is that gonna work? There'll

Moby (29:52):

Be two buses. There's a crew bus and a band bus. I will be in the band bus 'cause the crew has to arrive sometimes at different times. And they leave potentially later as well. Like being a crew member, it's much harder work than being a musician. Yeah. But I have one rule for the tour bus. Well, it's vegan obviously, but also no synthetic smells because boy do I hate synthetic smells. So like, there's no perfume on the bus, there's no plugin air fresheners, there's no Febreze. So are

Lindsay (30:23):

People allowed to use their products for their

Moby (30:25):

No, not on the bus. What they do elsewhere, that's up to them. But the bus is a scent free zone. Whoa. Yeah.

Lindsay (30:31):

So you're really on the bus with people. You're just in, in close quarters with other people. That must be, uh, a real adjustment for you.

Moby (30:40):

I mean, in the past, the only downside to being on a tour bus is I don't sleep very well on tour buses.

Lindsay (30:46):

But you also don't sleep well on hotels.

Moby (30:47):

I don't sleep well anywhere, but tour buses, when I used to tour constantly tour bus life, it's wonderful. Like, it's very, like you're with your gang and you're going from place to place and at its best, it's really sweet and nice. Like you watch Blades of Glory or you watch Talladega Nights for the 27th time, everyone knows the words. Or you watch someone play a video game or you read your magazine and you go to sleep when you feel like going to sleep and you wake up and it's the same people, but magically you're in a different place. Last

Lindsay (31:19):

Time you toured, was there social media?

Moby (31:20):

Last time I toured was 10 years ago, so yeah. So 10 years ago there was definitely, um, TikTok didn't exist, right? Instagram probably was in its infancy and was just like photos of cats. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. Uh, so yeah. So that's the world of tour prep. And does this, is this a good time to talk about the charities who are gonna receive be receiving tour money? Yeah.

Lindsay (31:42):

I'm really excited to hear about them. Okay.

Moby (31:44):

Ready?

Lindsay (31:46):

I'm so ready.

Moby (31:47):

So maybe Jonathan, do you want, if you want to add like a little sound effect of a drum roll. Okay. So here are the charities and there is a chance I will mispronounce some of them. That's

Lindsay (32:04):

Okay. Do your best.

Moby (32:05):

They're all European based. L214in France, Assietes Végétales also in France, Gaia in Belgium Pro Veg, which actually spends a bunch of different countries, Germany and Belgium, Vegan, Brussels, the Albert Schweitzer organization, the Humane League, UK Plant-based Universities, The Animal Law Foundation, Tier im Recht, did I say that right? Maybe?

Lindsay (32:35):

No clue.

Moby (32:35):

Swiss Animal Protection and Tier im Fokus. And then lastly, there are two others. EarthPercent and EarthPercent is a climate organization that was started by Brian Eno that you actually sort of introduced me to. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. And they are a group of scientists and advisors who advise and, you know, they, they work with other climate organizations. And one of the reasons I'm working, well, two reasons I wanna work with them. One, Brian Eno is an inspiration and a hero to me. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. But also I'm hoping that my involvement with them will get them to look more closely at the role of meat and dairy production and climate change. Yep.

Lindsay (33:14):

Food is often ignored and I feel like it's great that you're trying to put their focus in that direction.

Moby (33:19):

And so that's a lot of organizations splitting, unfortunately, what's not gonna be a ton of money, hopefully enough to be meaningful. But those are the people receiving tour money. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. And hopefully I'll be able to continue to support them after the tour. But do you wanna know what just happened earlier before you showed up? What a very exciting, interesting thing. What? So in the course of my life, I've had crushes at a distance oftentimes on people who are no longer alive. Like say Sylvia Plath. Sylvia Plath being my like ultimate crush <laugh>. Like she's my dream woman. Still mad at Ted Hughes. And we can even segue into poetry from that. Perfect. But I got an email from arguably the most perfect woman who is currently alive. Who my friend Jane Goodall. Oh. So, uh, what

Lindsay (34:08):

Did she, what did

Moby (34:09):

She say? So I've met Jane a few times. I had a good name dropping brunch once with her and Leo DiCaprio Leo's house. Oh. So Jane read about me giving my, the money from the tour to charity and she emailed me to say, Hey, you know, we'd love to be on the receiving end of this money. And I wrote back and said, well, I'm, of course I've, I've supported the Jane Goodall Institute for a while. But I just thought that was exciting that the most perfect woman on the planet reached out to me because she knew I was going on tour.

Lindsay (34:38):

I mean, I, I would, I would do anything for Jane Goodall.

Moby (34:42):

Yep. As me too. A hundred percent. Like what? Without hesitation. A

Lindsay (34:45):

Magical human.

Moby (34:46):

I don't know if I told you this story when, when I was having it's named

Lindsay (34:49):

Often you asked her on a date and she said no.

Moby (34:51):

Uh, no. I did. I remember one time completely unrelated, I met Joan Rivers and I sort of fell in love with her and I was going to, I was like, you know what, could I go on a date with her? She was like 40 years older than me, but still like, she was just, I loved her epic. Okay. When I was having brunch with Leo and Jane Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> we're all on a first name basis. Jane Pointedly asked Leo if he was a vegan and what did he say? And Leo was like, no, well, I'm a vegetarian. I I'm primarily vegan 'cause Leo's parents are vegan. And she got really stern and she was like, you need to be a vegan. She was like, you're an environmentalist. You're a climate activist. You need to be vegan. What'd he say? He was like, yeah, you're right. Like he was, he was a little sheepish.

Lindsay (35:33):

Oh my God. She totally cracked the whip on Leo. So I.

Moby (35:37):

And he, and he like every sane, rational human on the planet, he loves and reveres her. Of course. So I like to think that maybe she helped him on his vegan journey.

Lindsay (35:47):

I really wanna go back and look at his journal entry for that evening. <laugh>

Moby (35:51):

Had brunch with Moby and Jane Goodall. <laugh> Jane is the most perfect woman. She told me I should be vegan. So I think she's right. Yeah. Okay. So those are all the charities who are receiving,

Lindsay (36:02):

That's really exciting. I mean, money, it's great. It's great that you'll be giving them your proceeds, but it's also wonderful that we can talk about them and have these relationships with them and continue the conversation after the tour and figure out more ways that we can be involved with them and other charities in those regions. You know, and

Moby (36:19):

Hopefully, I mean, they're all invited to the shows and maybe some of them might even set up information booths at the merchandise table.

Lindsay (36:27):

<laugh>. That would be amazing. Okay.

Moby (36:29):

Whew. We're just going through all sorts of things, aren't we?

Lindsay (36:33):

Yeah. But now, because, you know, we talked about Sylvia Plath, do you think that it would be nice to take a moment and pick out poems? Sure. Okay,

Moby (36:42):

Great. Um, mine is gonna be really obvious, but it's also relevant. I hope. Well, I hope not. Is it

Lindsay (36:48):

Gonna be a Walt Whitman

Moby (36:50):

Is not a Walt Whitman <laugh>. I do appreciate the push for Walt Wittman <laugh>. There's one part of Leaves of Grass that is really special. Like Walt Whitman is obviously amazing. I especially love that there is a rest stop on the New Jersey turnpike called the Walt Whitman Rest stop. And I was like, normally rest stops are named after like sports guys and politicians. I was like, wow. Or

Lindsay (37:12):

Like Gatorade. <laugh>.

Moby (37:14):

Yeah. <laugh>. But I was like, you named a rest stop after a wonderful gay poet from the 19th century. Like how, how sweet. Sort of like how the only sports team I have any interest in is the Baltimore Ravens. 'cause they're named after an Edgar Allan Poe poem.

Lindsay (37:31):

They are,

Moby (37:32):

Well they're Baltimore. That's where Poe lived. And he

Lindsay (37:35):

Had a, did you know that I'm related to Edgar Allan Poe?

Moby (37:37):

You are. Wow.

Lindsay (37:38):

That'ss a cool one. My like, he's like my great great many great uncle.

Moby (37:41):

That's a really cool one. That's

Lindsay (37:43):

Why I'm so dark. <laugh>.

Moby (37:45):

Okay. So do you have a poem?

Lindsay (37:47):

No, but I need, I need for you to go ahead of me. Okay.

Moby (37:50):

So one of my favorite gnostics and poets and thinkers was William Butler Yates.

Lindsay (37:59):

Ooh. I knew it was gonna be Yates.

Moby (38:01):

Um, especially 'cause his mysticism was really interesting. Like, he was Irish and he wrote Irish stuff in Ireland. A great place. Irish stuff is really nice. But some of his mysticism is really fascinating. Um, I'd, I'd like to know, like, I wanna know, he was sort of in the world of like golden bow alchemy. And I wanna, I've got a book of his about it that I haven't actually read on my to-do list. But there's a poem of his, it's probably his most famous poem. It's called The Second Coming.

Lindsay (38:29):

Oh yeah. We've talked about this one before.

Moby (38:30):

And it is the most phenomenal prescient, apocalyptic poem. In fact, I've probably even read it on our show, but I'll read

Lindsay (38:38):

It again. I think you have, but let's do it again. I mean, there you can't, you can't do it enough. I think,

Moby (38:42):

And I might have also mentioned that Google searches for this poem went up a thousand percent after Trump was elected the first time. Oh, because this describes Trump.

Lindsay (38:53):

Okay.

Moby (38:53):

Okay. Ready?

Lindsay (38:54):

Let's have it.

Moby (38:54):

I'll read it again. "The Second Coming" by William Butler Yates.

New Speaker (38:57):

Turning and turning in the widening gyre. One thing we'll say. I still don't know what a gyre is.

Lindsay (39:03):

Do you think it's like a wrap sandwich type of thing?

Moby (39:06):

<laugh> like a gyro?

Lindsay (39:07):

Yeah.

Moby (39:08):

Let's look it up. Okay, so I'm I'm ruining it. Gyrer. Oh, a swarm of ghosts. Oh, whirl or gyrate. So a gyre is, oh, a

Lindsay (39:16):

Swarm of Ghosts?

Moby (39:17):

Uh, like that's the example. They use like "a swarm of ghosts gyred around him".

Lindsay (39:22):

Oh, I see. <laugh>.

Moby (39:23):

But a gyre is like whirling. Okay, so I won't interrupt with asides. Sorry.

Moby (39:28):

"The Second Coming" by William Butler Yates.

Moby (39:30):

Turning and turning in the widening gyre. The falcon cannot hear the falconer; Things fall apart; The centre cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world, The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.

Moby (39:50):

Surely some revelation is at hand; Surely the second coming is at hand. The second coming! Hardly are those words out of my mouth. When a vast image of Spiritus Mundi Troubles my sight: Somewhere in the sands of the desert, A shape with a lion's body and the head of a man. A gaze blank and pitiless, as the sun, Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it, Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds, The darkness drops again; But now I know That twenty centuries of stony sleep Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle. And what rough beast, its hour come around at last, Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

Lindsay (40:36):

Slouched toward Bethlehem. That's a thing.

Moby (40:38):

It's also a Joan Didion story. Oh,

Lindsay (40:40):

Oh, Didion. She would

Moby (40:42):

But isn't that the most powerful, phenomenal, apocalyptic

Lindsay (40:46):

Thing? It's so apocalyptic and scary

Moby (40:48):

And it's, yeah.

Lindsay (40:52):

Um,

Moby (40:52):

Okay. That's my poem.

Lindsay (40:53):

That's really, really bad and scary, but beautiful. And it makes me feel like I hate that. Like we had a president who inspired people wanting to read that horrific apocalyptic,

Moby (41:07):

That horrifying apocalyptic. Like

Lindsay (41:08):

What a what a crazy moment in the history. Okay. Full disclosure, I have spent this entire time trying to find a dirty limerick. <laugh>

Moby (41:21):

<laugh>. Of course you have, but

Lindsay (41:24):

They're all too graphic. Yeah, sadly. Which just, I was really hoping that something would come up that was just a little bit more

Moby (41:32):

PG 13. Yeah.

Lindsay (41:33):

Well, there's one that's kind of PG 13. Do you wanna hear it? Okay.

Moby (41:36):

If there's anything bad, we can just bleep it out.

Lindsay (41:39):

Okay. I, Hugh Grant did this in a movie once, so I feel like I can do it here.

Moby (41:43):

Okay. You ready? Just don't do it in a British accent because you trust me. Oh no, I I know I'm, oh

Lindsay (41:49):

God. No. I have to do it. But

Moby (41:50):

No, you, because I care about you. I don't want you as time passes to go back and listen to yourself speaking in a fake British accent.

Lindsay (41:59):

Okay. I'm just gonna do it sheepishly, because

Moby (42:01):

You're so good at so many things. Fake British accent. I say this with kindness and respect. It's not your strong suit as it

Lindsay (42:07):

You've never heard me really do it. I only have ever done my joking one. Yeah. You know, I went, I was classically trained <laugh>.

Moby (42:14):

Okay.

Lindsay (42:15):

Um, okay. Limerick there once was a woman from Ealing

Moby (42:19):

<laugh>, who, this is almost more apocalyptic than mine, who

Lindsay (42:24):

Had a particular feeling. Uh oh. She laid on her back and did something weird because I don't wanna say that. And she peed all over the ceiling.

Moby (42:34):

Also like Donald Trump when he visited the Park Hyatt in Russia.

Lindsay (42:39):

Peepee video. Yeah. I've been waiting for Peepee video for 10 years. I've been

Moby (42:43):

Waiting for a lot of things. There's apparently an outtake of The Apprentice where he's on video using the horrifying N word. But the weird guy who owns the tape won't release it. So frustrating.

Lindsay (42:56):

Why be be, what's his name? Um, the reality TV show Guy

Moby (43:00):

Mark something. Yeah. Mark Burnett. Is that his name?

Lindsay (43:03):

Yes, yes. Mark Burnett. That's correct. Yeah.

Moby (43:04):

Apparently the word on the street is he's, for whatever reason, maybe he's a Trump supporter, maybe he doesn't want to incur the wrath of Trump supporters. He won't release this tape of Trump saying the N word. Something

Lindsay (43:16):

Is happening recently. And I think I've sent you a couple of articles about how Hollywood is becoming increasingly, especially as the industry becomes a little less stable, a little bit, move into the, uh, other side of things in a very scary way. And I think that maybe they had been, but they weren't saying anything like Mark Burnett. But now they're kind of like, well,

Moby (43:35):

It's, I'm gonna go back to that Clash lyric of "if Adolf Hitler flew in today, they'd send a limousine anyway". Like people follow self-interest. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, you know, and when everyone thought they were supposed to be woke and progressive, suddenly all these people around the United States were suddenly pretending to be woke and progressive. And then suddenly they realized that wasn't making them money and the tide turned. So now they've dropped that like a hot potato. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. I

Lindsay (44:02):

Mean, and like, and they're doing speeches at the RNC.

Moby (44:04):

Yeah. And Silicon Valley. I mean, like creepy, horrible. Elon is giving $50 million a month to Trump's campaign, but that's enabled all the people in Silicon Valley to be right wing Trump supporters. I don't, it's like they, they're no principles. Everyone just sort of flies in the wind. Like if it, if something's moving in one direction and people can benefit from that, that's the direction they go. It's very, it's disheartening and is why I am asking my Canadian friends to adopt me. Yeah.

Lindsay (44:31):

It's just the whole thing is so awful. It's like they would rather the planet burn than be regulated anyway. Speaking of,

Moby (44:38):

Are we gonna go to self-care?

Lindsay (44:39):

Yeah. Because the, now I'm stressed and I need to, I need to just shake it out. So I'm wondering if we can talk about, you know, I think that because you are a person who is familiar with stress Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> as we all are. But I think that you have stress, but you also are pretty good at managing it.

Moby (44:56):

Uh, I mean luckily there are so many ways to turn down the noise in the brain parts, but

Lindsay (45:03):

They have to be easy. And it has to be things. I'll remember when I'm stressed

Moby (45:06):

To some extent, everybody is a little bit different. We've talked about this before, but in the course of my life, I've tried everything. Pharmacological, narcotic, alcohol, spiritual traditions, meditation, moy, tie kickboxing. Like if there fighting

Lindsay (45:22):

A pillow.

Moby (45:22):

Yeah. If there is a way to try and reduce anxiety and stress. I think I've tried it. Okay. You know, from TM to zen meditation to vipasana, to all sorts of different, I've tried everything. And my approach first off is like, what's, what's the easiest way in the moment to reduce stress? Because on one hand a lot of traditions involve aspiring towards enlightenment. You know, like, oh, you'll achieve stress reduction after 15 years of meditating. Or like, when you do this for 20 minutes, three times a day, then you'll begin to achieve stress reduction. I'm like, well that's not really very helpful. You know what can do it, at least for me, alleviate and relieve stress right now. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> in the short term. And for me it's the, it's the simplest things. I mean, there's cognitive stuff and then there's behavioral stuff. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> the behavioral stuff.

Moby (46:22):

Go for a walk. I go for a walk in nature and within five minutes my stress has basically evaporated. 'cause I look at nature and I'm reminded that nature is bigger and better and more complicated and more nuanced than we are. And it just puts my problems in perspective. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> Another listen to music. You know, when I've worked with the Institute for Music and Neurologic function, I realized music, it's a very legitimate tool for stress reduction. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. And we all know that, but we don't fully trust it. 'cause it's free and it's fun. We're like, well, if it's free and fun, it can't be good for me. It's like, no. But it really is. And then an exercise, you know, put on some old punk rock records and lift weights and punch a heavy bag that is great. Stress reduction, play drums, all those things.

Moby (47:08):

And then I'll put, I'll call it like the cognitive side, which doesn't involve action, like physical action, which is, for me it's mindfulness. Like literally what are my senses telling me? Where am I, what can I see? Smell, taste, touch. Like what's really going on? Not what's going on in my brain, but what's actually going on around me. That's a really good way to have stress reduction and to contextualize it a little bit. And remember two things. One, stress passes. You know, for you, for bagel, for me, for everyone watching and listening, we've all had intense periods of stress. It always ends. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. And just remembering the jealousy, the anger, the anxiety, the terror, all these things, they all, they all go away. Even if it seems like they're not gonna go away. They do. So there's lots more. But those are, those are the biggies for me. And also I try to avoid harmful forms of stress reduction. Like for me, like

Lindsay (48:11):

Slap on yourself and then

Moby (48:12):

<laugh> like hitting myself in the head with a ball-peen hammer as satisfying.

Lindsay (48:17):

ball-peen?

Moby (48:17):

Ball-peen hammer.

Lindsay (48:18):

What's that?

New Speaker (48:19):

This type of hammer. Rubber. No metal. You wouldn't wanna hit yourself or anyone else with a ball-peen hammer or

Lindsay (48:25):

Any hammer.

Moby (48:26):

Yeah. I think it's got like a rounded little hammer part. Oh,

Lindsay (48:29):

That hammer? Yeah.

Moby (48:30):

For hitting ball-peens. It sounds terrible now. Yeah. It's gross ball. P <laugh> <laugh>. Ew. That's disgusting. Why did it take me all, all this time to realize that that's just like a terrible, terrible name. Okay, so regular hammer <laugh>. But no, like some of the, we all know the bad things that we try to do for stress reduction. Like drinking,

Lindsay (48:53):

Yelling at people.

Moby (48:54):

Yeah. Going on social media and posting terrible comments about something. Eating fried food.

Lindsay (49:01):

Hey,

Moby (49:01):

Sorry. But there's nothing wrong with that. But I know for myself there are types, there are things I can do that are stress reduction that actually end up hurting me and long-term not reducing stress. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. And I just, you know, like I'd love to sit down. Oh boy. Like if I'm stressed and sad and anxious to like have a bunch of vegan onion rings and a chocolate bar. Oh, it sounds great. But I know when it's done, I'm actually gonna feel worse.

Lindsay (49:28):

Yeah, true. That's, um, that's

Moby (49:30):

Called, but I do love vegan onion rings,

Lindsay (49:32):

Understanding consequences. And a lot of people don't consider consequences for anything. So

Moby (49:36):

That's my spiel about what I try to do for stress reduction.

Lindsay (49:40):

I really like those things. Well, taking a walk is always, because usually when I'm stressed it means there's a bunch of stuff I have to do. And taking a break from it feels like the most terrifying thing. But just getting up and walking and being like, I'll actually be in a better space to do this work. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, if I can just take a deep breath, but one thing that really helps me with stress reduction and it's hard for me to sleep when I'm stressed, is doing everything I can to create a space for good sleep hygiene. Not staying up too late, not looking at my phone before bed, which is really hard. Mm-Hmm. What do you do that?

Moby (50:09):

Oh, I, I mean, I check texts, but I'm, I, I have great social media discipline. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> weirdly, I get 10 minutes a day. That's it. So

Lindsay (50:16):

10 minutes is so very little. I mean, I have like, I think two hours a day I let myself have Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> and I pound through that two hours <laugh>. But then I have an app that locks me out of it. So I can't literally can't do anything more than that. But yeah, it's um, when I get stressed I start losing sleep and then it just gets worse and worse and worsened it. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. You know. But for me that's the biggest thing is just getting enough sleep and getting enough food. That's good food.

Moby (50:38):

Yeah. We all sort of know what to do. It's just the, the ability and the willingness to do it. And also to recognize that the things that sometimes seem frivolous are not, you know, going for a walk petting bagel, eating a delicious orange. These are really healthy, remarkable healing modalities that we tend to discount because they're free.

Lindsay (51:01):

Do you notice something I just started doing for stress? That's actually been really helpful. Mm.

Moby (51:06):

Going to the supermarket and screaming at strangers in the parking lot.

Lindsay (51:10):

No. 'cause I don't really like to scream. Okay. Um, but I do go by flowers sometimes when I'm sad. But here's something <laugh> that I have been doing is sometimes I'll just, I'll cry just a tiny little bit. <laugh>. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. Just a tiny little bit of crying really sets me on the right path. Yeah. Just gotta release a little bit. You know what I mean? Some people like to punch a pillow, but I just like to have just a tiny little bit of crying and then I'm good and then we go, you know what I mean?

Moby (51:35):

I do wonder my female friends have easier access to crying.

Lindsay (51:39):

It's not easy. Okay. It's

Moby (51:41):

Terrifying. And I don't mean I'm almo I'm almost hesitant to say that. I'm just saying based on my conversations, maybe men cry just as much, but just don't talk about it. 'cause they're ashamed

Lindsay (51:52):

And they wanna be tough. And

Moby (51:53):

So I'm gonna work under that assumption that men and women cry an equal amount, but that men their tears are hidden and bitter as opposed to women who are obviously like an advanced gender who are able to access emotion more easily than us. Broken shut down men.

Lindsay (52:10):

Well, you know, in a general, in a broad sense, perhaps that's true. But I couldn't, for a long time I wouldn't do that. I was afraid that like if I opened up that box, I would never be able to close it.

Moby (52:19):

Pandora's tissue box.

Lindsay (52:20):

Yes, exactly. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. And I st I'm having to like have that. Oh I can release a little bit of emotion if I need to release a little bit of emotion and be able to still function and not let it like take over everything. I was afraid it would take over everything for a long time. That's

Moby (52:36):

Great. Yeah.

Lindsay (52:37):

It's a thing. It's a thing that's happening. It's great. Just

Moby (52:39):

A little bit of crying. Tiny bit.

Lindsay (52:40):

A little bit of crying Bagel loves it.

Moby (52:43):

Aw. Does she really? Mm-Hmm. <affirmative> or does it scare her?

Lindsay (52:45):

No, she likes it 'cause she's like, what's going on? And she wants to connect and she loves to connect

Moby (52:50):

Bagel.

Lindsay (52:51):

I know she's very tired.

Moby (52:52):

Okay. So that's our long, we haven't done one of these episodes in quite a while.

Lindsay (52:58):

No we haven't. It's nice to just chat. Yeah.

Moby (53:00):

Alright. We had our long list of things. And just a quick recap. We're gonna be on break for the next few weeks, making the movie called Tecie. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>. And what Tecie stands for, it's an acronym at some point will be revealed

Lindsay (53:13):

When you least expect it

Moby (53:14):

Or perhaps when you watch the movie. Yeah.

Lindsay (53:16):

<laugh>. Um, so yeah, we're gonna take a break. We're gonna make our movie. We'll be back soon. Um, and then Moby will go on tour and it's a big, it's a big summer slash fall for Moby Land.

Moby (53:28):

And when we come back, there's a good chance that the first two episodes when we come back will be from our live Moby Pod acoustic play nights at the Hollywood Forever Masonic Temple. It could

Lindsay (53:41):

Happen. Or maybe it'll be something else. It might be, that's the fun thing about Moby Pod is that you just never know what you're gonna get.

Moby (53:48):

And we don't even know because, well, I, I'm just gonna speak for myself because I'm a distracted and competent. So like, I never

Lindsay (53:56):

Know. Well, no you're not. Come on. Maybe distracted, but definitely not incompetent.

Moby (53:59):

So, on that note, having covered a lot of ground, we're gonna say goodbye for a couple weeks. Mm-Hmm. <affirmative>, we wanna say thank you to Mike Fki.

Lindsay (54:08):

Mike Formanski, who's doing this video recording and also editing.

Moby (54:12):

Thanks to Jonathan Nesvadba for playing bass and also editing the audio. Thanks to human content for taking the audio and putting it out into the world. And most importantly,

Lindsay (54:25):

Thank you to Bagel who is the chief creative officer of all that we do. And is the most grounding and perfect individual ever created.

Moby (54:34):

Yeah. She is our spiritual life coach in all things. Right. Bagel,

Lindsay (54:38):

Thank you guys so much for listening or watching or whatever you do. And we'll see you in a few weeks.

Moby (54:45):

And there's a possibility we'll even see some people while we're making the movie. 'cause some people might be extras. Who knows.

Lindsay (54:52):

Who knows.

Moby (54:53):

Yep. Anything can happen,

Lindsay (54:54):

Anything can happen.

Moby (54:55):

But more likely we will talk to you and see you in a few weeks.

Lindsay (54:58):

Yep.

Moby (54:58):

Okay. Bye.

Lindsay (54:59):

Bye.